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If you want to debate something it always pays to know about the subject your debating, which in most cases thats not the case.
There is always " the rest of the story " and inconvienant facts that will come up on both sides.
Sometimes we put out the lights of others to make our's shine brighter.
There are wrongs on both sides of the race thing knowing but who is really the victims here and who isn't can be a rude awakening.
The south has always been the escape goat of American history. Although the south had absolutely nothing to do with any of the slaves who lived in it.It wa the Spanish and

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A little history for a quick lesson so we know what we are really daling with .Not that it matters anymore at the end of this empire but just to pass the time along with the blame. Ruropran whites did not introduce slaves to the Amerian Continent. Africa had and sold their people to others for hubdreds of years before their was an America.
[ I know you white American men were lied, told what a evil slave owning quilty piece of crap you and your race were in all your schools your whole life and were busy going to wars, worked and built a nation so its not your fault. ]
History is your freind deprograming is your cure.

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Slaves were sent to the south by the north carpetbaggers to grow crops in our beautiful southern soil and climate. Somehing about cotton and most crops that prefere not to freeze. Southerns had no choice in the matter much and we were good to your slaves. Lincoln was not mr. niceguy he was mr moneyman.

Now thats all you need to know for now. So stop insinuating people are racist because they don't feel quilty.okey dokey..:peace::sarcasm::thumbs:

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zoomzoom said:
If I did go back, could I take my knowledge with me?

Things that weren't so great back then.
Massive pollution.
Health care not nearly as robust as it is today.
A lot more racism and lack of civil rights.
The cold war.
Too much smoking.
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Meerkat said:
If you want to debate something it always pays to know about the subject your debating, which in most cases thats not the case.
There is always " the rest of the story " and inconvienant facts that will come up on both sides.
Sometimes we put out the lights of others to make our's shine brighter.
There are wrongs on both sides of the race thing knowing but who is really the victims here and who isn't can be a rude awakening.
The south has always been the escape goat of American history. Although the south had absolutely nothing to do with any of the slaves who lived in it.It wa the Spanish and

https://timeline.com/michael-farmer-gang-murder-21a0c8df03cb
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A little history for a quick lesson so we know what we are really daling with .Not that it matters anymore at the end of this empire but just to pass the time along with the blame. Ruropran whites did not introduce slaves to the Amerian Continent. Africa had and sold their people to others for hubdreds of years before their was an America.
[ I know you white American men were lied, told what a evil slave owning quilty piece of crap you and your race were in all your schools your whole life and were busy going to wars, worked and built a nation so its not your fault. ]
History is your freind deprograming is your cure.

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@zoomzoom .... sense a couple of you here challenged me on this ' racism,human rights thing why now leave the debate? It is past time for the truth to come out of all these lies American blacks and whites have been told for a century now or longer.
The truth would have set us alol free although Ithink we hve too many enemies within now who will benefit from our division and MUTUAL DESTRUCTION..
 
@Meerkat, I think the race thing is a scape goat for a problem with discipline, no respect for getting an education, making excuses for people until they are useless social dependents. People have been wronged in the past and often as not the poor uneducated have ended up at the receiving end of a load of crap. But, you have to learn how to work your way out. Having the Government trying to buy or force respect for people with no self-respect is simply casting pearls before swine….
 
UrbanHunter said:
@Meerkat, I think the race thing is a scape goat for a problem with discipline, no respect for getting an education, making excuses for people until they are useless social dependents. People have been wronged in the past and often as not the poor uneducated have ended up at the receiving end of a load of crap. But, you have to learn how to work your way out. Having the Government trying to buy or force respect for people with no self-respect is simply casting pearls before swine….
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Sadly its true. I knew of a lady in a black area of town that opened up a restaurant on the outskirts of her community, she had the best soul food and blacks could sit inside and eat and they did so did we sometimes. East Atlanta. It is true blacks coud not eat inside other restaurants. But this was because of how they acted up north joining gangs and acting bad. So we didn't have gangs in the south till what was known as the BlackT-Shirt gang once they got rights they acted wrong.
Also the KKK was not intended for the blacks it was a ignorant club gang of white men who would beat up other whites for not 'behaving'.They turned out to be worse than the men they 'corrected'. My cgilhood freinds father was one man rhey beat the heck out of for hitting his wife,when it was her who was the mean one,lol.Take a girls virginity and not marry KKK came with shot guns for the weddings.
 
I was thinking the same thing as Jim - 1850. Post penicillin does have its perks though. There was still common curtesy and people knew what empathy was. Other posts have stated similar, but it’s the lack of empathy. So many today cannot put themselves in someone else’s shoes. Narcissism is being promoted.
 
Duncan said:
By the 1960's 24 lynchings had been attributed to the town of Blakely and Early County, second in Georgia only to Fulton County with 37 lynchings.

In 1965, right after getting back from my active duty training, I got a four-month touring gig with a Motown band through North and South Carolina. I was the only White person in the band. We would send an advance guy to a small town who would book an evening show in a 'colored' high school, print up posters, and play the next night. What was really interesting was at the lunch stands in a department store, the rest of the band couldn't use the front door to get their food (carry-out, of course); but I had to go into the front door.

White people came, all right; they had no problem going, 'cause them ni**ers sure could play good, and anyway, those boys knew their place. On the other hand, that White bass player was probably a race-traitor and ni**er lover here to serve up trouble.

Now up North (if you consider Maryland "North") I went to a segregated high school; "colored people" (which included Hispanics and even some southern Europeans) couldn't go to Glen Echo Amusement park; and there were still a lot of restaurants which served non-Whites, but only for carry-out; and on and on. Of course miscegenation was against State Law, and if you even looked sideways at a person of another race (especially if you where a Black boy and she a White girl), then Christ knows where or even when you would be found!

But there was no racism down there back in the sixties at all.
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Lynching was the way of the death penalty so eveyone got lynched not just blacks,remember Joy Roy Bean? He wa just one hanging judge of 1000s .
Know how they executed them i nAfrica, tied one legy on one tree,another leg on another tree then cut the vines and slit them into or slowly cooked them like a pig on spit.
Hang Em High was a movie about how the criminals were legally executed.

https://www.desertusa.com/desert-people/judge-roy-bean.html
 
We have all been barbareans one time or another in our history. This is my main point. And if these people of color knew about history it may come to an understnding that none are victims but some are very fortunate like all od us who live in this great nation.
 
@Duncan hope you know no hard feelings on my part and hope I didn't make you too upset. I get upset but get over it then feel bad.:peace:
 
The whole point is that we, as Americans, keep rising above the issues that plagued us in the past. That is what Americans do. We get better.
 
LadyLocust said:
I was thinking the same thing as Jim - 1850. Post penicillin does have its perks though. There was still common curtesy and people knew what empathy was. Other posts have stated similar, but it’s the lack of empathy. So many today cannot put themselves in someone else’s shoes. Narcissism is being promoted.
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I was born with a cleft palate and would have died young if not for penicillin and plastic surgery.

We are each born into our time. History is to be studied to better prepare for our future and not to be longed for.

Just my 2 cents.

Ben
 
Neb said:
I was born with a cleft palate and would have died young if not for penicillin and plastic surgery.

We are each born into our time. History is to be studied to better prepare for our future and not to be longed for.

Just my 2 cents.

Ben
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I agree actually. A friend and I were chatting once and said we were born when we were supposed to be born otherwise there might not be anyone around to appreciate the past. The question posed just asked if I'd go back so I answered - not that my choice is right. (Glad you're now well though.)
 
Duncan said:
Absolutely, SheepDog. And... with a knowledge of history we can rise above those issues which might plague us in the future!
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I've believed in the value of knowing the real past for -quite a spell - Duncan. There is still at least one issue to be addressed here, though: You, the only Paleface in that band of Buffaloes, was the drummer. The Provider Of The Rhythm. A Shatterer of Stereotypes. Some folks treasure their stereotypes.
 
Meerkat said:
I like history its a shame human kind doesn't learn from it.
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HAs anyone else read The Fourth Turning?

https://www.fourthturning.com/
It is a book that looks back at history and notices that history roughly repeats itself after about four generations roughly once every 80 years. The authors go back to the War of the Roses and lays out the pattern that repeats once every four generations with the last "Fourth Turning" that started in about 1939. According to the eighty year cycle, another Fourth Turning may have started in 2019.

I can not do the book justice but I will attempt a brief summary of the ideas and what it can mean for us now.

Once every 20 years a new generation is born and grow up and are shaped by the times and their parents which in turn were shaped by diverse times and a previous generation. Each generation rear up their children based on their natures. After four generations the subsequent generation are similar to their great great grandparents.

The generations, or Turnings, can be likened to seasons. The spring like turning features rebirth and good times. The Summer turnings, extend the good times and lead into the fall when the organizations and system started to crumble and eventual authority and the organizations fall into distrust and their is great upheaval.

The recent call to defund the police may be one example of the Fourth Turning kicking in as we watch. So if you are interested in history, curious how we can use history to see into the future, and can manage to get through some very dry reading, you may want to consider reading The Fourth Turning by Howe and Strauss.

Please note that the ideas of The Fourth Turning do not reveal details of what is to come but does indicate "Hang on Lady We Go for a Ride".

"History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes." (Mark Twain")

Ben
 
Neb said:
HAs anyone else read The Fourth Turning?

https://www.fourthturning.com/
It is a book that looks back at history and notices that history roughly repeats itself after about four generations roughly once every 80 years. The authors go back to the War of the Roses and lays out the pattern that repeats once every four generations with the last "Fourth Turning" that started in about 1939. According to the eighty year cycle, another Fourth Turning may have started in 2019.

I can not do the book justice but I will attempt a brief summary of the ideas and what it can mean for us now.

Once every 20 years a new generation is born and grow up and are shaped by the times and their parents which in turn were shaped by diverse times and a previous generation. Each generation rear up their children based on their natures. After four generations the subsequent generation are similar to their great great grandparents.

The generations, or Turnings, can be likened to seasons. The spring like turning features rebirth and good times. The Summer turnings, extend the good times and lead into the fall when the organizations and system started to crumble and eventual authority and the organizations fall into distrust and their is great upheaval.

The recent call to defund the police may be one example of the Fourth Turning kicking in as we watch. So if you are interested in history, curious how we can use history to see into the future, and can manage to get through some very dry reading, you may want to consider reading The Fourth Turning by Howe and Strauss.

Please note that the ideas of The Fourth Turning do not reveal details of what is to come but does indicate "Hang on Lady We Go for a Ride".

"History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes." (Mark Twain")

Ben
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That sounds interesting.
 
Heck, take a look back only 20 years. Cell phones were still new. You couldn't be on the internet and talk on your home phone at the same time. Social media didn't really exist. You used a camera, not a cell phone, to take pictures. You could smoke in restaurants and bars in most places. We did not have the TSA or the Patriot Act. We still mocked socialism and loathed communism, and no politician would dare speak in favor of either.

Going back 70 years to 1950, cars didn't have seat belts or CAFE standards. Cars didn't have fuel injection or today's battery technology. On a frigid morning, you might have to spray ether into your carb and/or charge your battery to get the engine to turn over. There were very few creature comforts beyond heat and AM radio in cars. There weren't (m)any laws against driving drunk. Almost everyone smoked; it was very unusual to grow up in a home where no one smoked. People smoked everywhere - grocery stores and even hospitals! Quartz watches didn't exist. Rolex made durable watches for hard work and they were affordable. Most people hated communism. Schools actually taught kids civics and moral behavior. Computers were rare, enormous, slow, and extremely difficult to use.

Would I go back to 1950? Meh. Maybe. Maybe not. I think I like it here, even with 2020 as it has been.

What do you think the next 70 years will bring? Will we be living with even more interesting technology? Or will we be living back in the stone age? Or maybe things won't change very much at all?
 
I grew up in the 50s. It was not wonderful. Racism was rampant. There were signs on city limit signs that said " n+++++, don't let the sun set on you here". Women were controlled to the point they could not own property. A man could legally force his wife to have sex. All sex except "missionary position" was illegal. It was a crime to be gay. We had atom bomb drills almost daily in school. I would not want to go back to those days.
 
rusty said:
I grew up in the 50s. It was not wonderful. Racism was rampant. There were signs on city limit signs that said " n+++++, don't let the sun set on you here". Women were controlled to the point they could not own property. A man could legally force his wife to have sex. All sex except "missionary position" was illegal. It was a crime to be gay. We had atom bomb drills almost daily in school. I would not want to go back to those days.
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Interesting- I think it might depend upon where you lived. I wasn’t around then, but my dad said it was a good time to grow up. He had friends who were colored though there weren’t many in the small rural town where he was raised. Everybody worked. Many smoked as you stated but women owned property. As far as sexual laws, I have no idea as it’s never been a topic of our conversation.
 
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