Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Sentry18, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:27 PM.
Ain't modern technology great? We've come a long way since that old, crude federal ID card that Hitler and Stalin had to make do with.
If it were just for people who are not citizens who are coming into the country, I think it would not be a bad idea. But we know that it won't end there. How many of us have probably had many photos the DHS already has?
The Patriot Act and the DHS re harbingers of the Brave New World in America. They can transmogrify into State Socialism without skipping a beat.
Our borders are open right now, so I don't believe their reasons.
All they had to do was copy my passport photo.
Get pictures of illegals first and leave us citizens alone.
For all of us 'bonifide' citizens, they already have our photo.
Last time we cruised out of country, guess what ID I needed to present to board the ship?:
Driver's license with photo?
Credit card with my name on it?
None of the above.
The lady asked me what my name was, my passport picture popped up on her screen, she made me a Seapass card, and I got on the boat.
They screen passengers long before the day to get on the boat.
Only time I needed my passport was to speed things along coming back in thru customs. They already have a digital copy at their fingertips.
Even if I had lost my passport while traveling, all I would have had to do is tell them full name and date of birth and they'd be looking at their copy in one second.
One look and it's obvious who is standing there.
I was going to say that. International travel requires a passport. A passport (at least a US one) requires a photograph. So they already have what they are asking to obtain now. Their request makes no sense.
Pictures of illegals will be useless because all of the info underneath it is likely bogus.
The names underneath might as well say "That Guy" or "That Gal" for all the good it would do.
Just for the record, your state has your photo IF you choose to have an ID or a driver's license. My state does not share those photos with the Feds in mass, only on a case by case basis. In this case the Feds want a database of photos and they don't want it to be voluntary.
Here's my picture...honest...
If you have a passport the Feds have your picture...
Cept when you go to vote then its a violation of their rights to require a photo ID.
True, but also voluntarily.
May I see your papers..................................sigh.
My latest Enhanced driver's license has a pretty good likeness of me on it. Back when my job required a passport, I'm not sure what the clue was that it and I were related.
Most of the citizens that they DON'T have a picture of, it will be a big struggle for them to submit one.
Like my 92-year-old mom.
She hasn't driven in years and it is very difficult for her to go to town.
As strange as it seems, I can understand WHY the govt needs pictures of us.
Let's say border patrol agents stop an immigrant in Texas that has no ID.
He says he's Juan Valdez and gives them the address of a citizen Juan that lives in New Mexico.
With no photo of the 'real' Juan, they have to let him go.
After stopping about the 10th Juan in one day, it must get obvious that we have to do something about this loophole.
Anybody can get a license in New Mexico. And you don't need one to vote. Just look at the paper, read a name upside down that hasn't voted yet (if they voted, there's a checkmark next to the name), and tell them that name and vote.
I don't think they care about old people. If the socialists had their way with health care, they'd just let them die.
Old people. Too expensive to keep alive.
Yeah but as @VThillman was hinting at, some of us ornery old guys refuse to 'go quietly into the night'
They gonna hafta club us over the head.
They do so have a picture of Juan Valdez......he is on the coffee can with his burro.
Socialized medicine doesn't technically kill you, they just stop treating you in any way (to include medications) or allow you to receive treatment from anyone else. It's all about the cost to benefit algorithm and completely ignoring the Hippocratic oath. Of course if people fight back against socialized medicine then they do send someone with a club, or a hypodermic needle. You know, to ease your suffering.
DHS has backed off on their plan. For now at least. I guess they didn't like the heat so they got out of the kitchen.
One theory is they were doing a test run to see how much the American public will tolerate before we say enough. Guess they found out.
They do require facial recognition for all non-Americans traveling into or out of the country.
The Government "Promises to Delete the Photos of Americans". The Minute the Government starts making Promises is when I start Running the other way, because I KNOW something ain't right.
Where's the data? Reads like a plutocrat plan/story to me. Anyway there is no active government medical plan for seniors in the US beyond Medicare, its ancillary plans and the VA. Socialist or otherwise. There are socialized 'elder care' plans in Europe. I have a little knowledge about the Netherlands system - at at least as it was in 2014. The mechanics of its funding are different from anything the US would have, and there is a financial squeeze caused by ever-increasing numbers of physically and mentally debilitated elderly that has to result in a per-capita reduction in benefits. There appears to be a limit to what folks are willing to pay in taxes to support 'those old people'. (Who knew? Bernie?)
This points up the real, non-political problem with Medicare For All: even when the current graft and excessive profit taking from medical care is removed, the plan probably can't be financed over the long run. We-uns keep getting older before "departing this mortal sphere", but we're still wearing out at about the same rate - including our brains.
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