Do you talk and drive?

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    I need to post this today after driving for many miles behind someone who was and shouldn't have been.

    https://www.bustle.com/p/driving-ta...thought-even-with-a-hands-free-device-8418976

    Driving & Talking On The Phone Is Much More Distracting Than Previously Thought, Even With A Hands-Free Device
    ByAYANA LAGE
    Mar 6 2018

    Texting while driving is illegal in almost every state, and most of us have heard PSAs about why it's an awful idea to text while driving. But what about answering a phone call? According to a new study from researchers at the University of Calgary, talking on your phone while driving can be more dangerous than we think. "After decades of research and policy activity, talking on a cell phone while driving continues to be a common behavior identified as a contributor to crashes," the study starts out. From there, the findings are even more grim. The research team analyzed nearly 100 studies about driving and cell phone use, and they found that talking on a phone makes you a worse driver, even if you use a hands free device like Bluetooth. The study is published in The Journal of the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society.

    I've always rationalized my driving phone calls because it doesn't feel any different than talking to someone who's in the car with me. But this study found that accidents are more likely when you're using a handsfree phone device than when you're talking to a passenger — and you're also more likely to speed. Overall, being distracted in any way makes you a worse driver than you would be if you were completely focused on the road. They also found that even talking to a passenger can affect your driving skills, even though it's "socially accepted and nearly universally common." From the research:
    When conversing, drivers responded somewhat slower to important events in the driving environment, such as a lead vehicle braking or a pedestrian suddenly entering a crosswalk. Drivers also detected and responded slower to targets, such as secondary probes and traffic signs that did not necessarily require an immediate response. Collectively, conversation on a cell phone did not result in compensatory performance adjustments, such as increasing headway or reducing speed.

    These findings are pretty scary once you start to think them through: Even if you're looking at the road and feel good about your driving performance, you're more likely to get in a crash than you would be if you were phone-free. It makes sense, but it's still sobering to realize the potential danger I've inadvertently caused for both myself and the people around me.

    In a press release, lead study author Jeff K. Caird suggested that the only real solution, if you must talk on the phone while getting from A to B, is to wait until driverless cars are a thing. “The technological solution of driverless vehicles will allow us to get back to our preferred distractions," he says in the release. "Until then...”

    Basically, the only time we'll actually be safe from distracted driving is when driverless cars take over the market — which Fortune estimates won't happen until 2040. The study also explores how people switched to hands-free phone conversations, assuming that its a safe alternative to holding a phone while driving. But according to the research, the reaction time shown by drivers was similar regardless of whether they were hands-free or not. "Because [handheld] and [hands-free] phone conversation produces similar driving performance costs, existing legislation that targets only HH phones may require reconsideration," the study says.

    The safest thing for you to do as a driver is to reduce the number of distractions. The researchers point out how risky it is to look at your phone and dial a phone number, even if it feels like it doesn't take much effort. Because we have a long way to go until their self-driving car solution, we should all drive responsibly — and maybe pressure legislators to consider whether distracted driving laws need to be made even stricter. I often use long drives as a chance to catch up with people I've been meaning to reach out to, but the risk definitely outweighs the benefit.
     
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    I don't talk on the phone while driving unless absolutely needed then it's always hands-free and the call is as short as possible. If a passenger is with me, I'll have them place or answer the call.
     
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    I either pull over to a safe location. Then answer the phone.or wait untill i get to my destination. Then call the person(s) back.
     
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    A lot of the time while I'm driving I don't even talk to my wife, especially if things around us are a little strange as to what other drivers are doing. We never have our cell phone turned on, we bought it mainly for emergency and if we use it, it's always when we are parked. I have never found that I needed to have a phone that handy that I couldn't just go home to call whoever I needed to call, I just don't like the distraction of driving and being on a cell phone. One other thing, there has been a number of times that we have almost been driven off the road by a driver on a cell phone swerving at us, I certainly don't want to be blamed for doing anything like that, it's bad enough that I'm 76 and some people may think I'm too old to drive.
     
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    Me, too! I pull over or answer later. I know I can't talk or text and drive, but neither can others. They just haven't admitted it to themselves and the world!

    This man scared me so bad several times. I was sure I was going to see a really bad accident. I think his guardian angels work overtime!

    I am not trying to hate on anyone or any group of people. I have driven behind many people whose driving was erratic and scary, only to realize the reason is that they are on the phone.

    Today, there were several bad things that happened by one older man with white hair driving a white van. It could have been a 30 year old mother or a teenager. The first clue was not being able to stay in his lane. He also has no clue about what to do when he wants to change lanes (turn on his signal, look in his mirrors and over his shoulder). His technique was just to start moving over, taking maybe a city block to complete that move. Those lines meant nothing to him. He was all over the road. He cut several people off. He pulled into a turn lane and when the light changed, he went straight, almost causing a collision with the vehicle that was in the correct lane. There is one location with a cross walk that has a button for pedestrians to push that triggers a flashing light because vehicles are supposed to stop for pedestrians. He blew right through the flashing light, almost hitting the three pedestrians and causing a reaction from them that included hand signals. I caught a glimpse of him, with a phone to his ear. I also saw him looking down frequently as though he was checking out something on the seat beside him.

    I see many people on the road who probably learned to drive by getting behind the wheel, turning on the car, putting it in gear and driving. So many people are missing many of the nuances of driving that keep us and them safe: using turn signals, staying in the middle of your lane (not riding one line or the other), preparing for a stop, turn or lane change before the very last moment.

    This man's driving was so bad, it scared me. He was going the same way I was going for miles. So scary! He was doing what many people do: trying to do more than one thing. I once dated a man whose driving was so bad because he wanted to do so many things while driving that I could have done for him, that I broke up with him. He drove maybe 50 miles with his turn signal on. That was one of the minor things. He wove all over the road and was frequently stopped by law enforcement to see if he had been drinking. Clueless! Put down the food, the phone, leave the radio or music alone or turn it off, stop talking to your passengers and focus on driving! Or let someone else drive!

    Thanks for letting me release some fear and tension!
     
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    Viking, I am aware of my own aging and have seen that we slow down as we age. We need to be focused when we drive.

    I know that there have been some serious accidents by older people who needed to stop driving before they did. My aunt and uncle are 90 and 93 and drive about half an hour to get groceries. They have family close who could help them, but they haven't gotten that together YET. My ex brother-in-law had to not just hide his father's keys, he had to remove them from his property. He was senile and got stuck in a field on his farm while everyone else was at work. His dad was livid that they took his keys away. The day is coming for all of us.
     
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    @Weedygarden no I don't answer a mobile phone or talk on one when driving at any time. As we usually drive together both DH and I the passenger being one of us usually answers the call and talks not the driver.

    Too many times here in our country town have drivers been talking on mobile phones and drift into our lane while talking and many times we have almost been wiped out. We have learnt to look at the silhouette of the driver in front and sides of us to see if they are on a phone and take necessary precautions. Not once have I seen someone talking on a mobile phone while driving that can 1/ drive in a straight line. 2/ stay in their own lane or 3/ Maintain a steady speed while driving.

    I remember when I was a data sales officer and my office wanted to have a conference call while I was driving to work which took me 1.5 hours and take notes too. I flatly refused to do it as the road I drove on was bumper to bumper traffic and they organised for me to call in when I got to work instead. I saw how others drove when on a phone and knew it wasn't safe to do so nor could in any circumstances could I have taken notes while driving.
     
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    Typically not.
     
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    Why would I? Nobody calls me!
    It is too hard to answer the phone, that means my eyes and hands are focusing on something besides the road and traffic. Plus, what if I have to do something else like shifting gears, turn signals, etc. I don't have a hands free thing going on with my phone either. That would mean I'm expecting to be on the phone while actively driving.
    Have I, yes.
    I tell myself if I hear a notification chiming, it can wait.
    Not due to cell phone usage, but we have both lost family in auto accidents. Also, friends' children have died due to their children's phone usage while driving. It can wait.
     
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    The numbers illustrating the dangers of cell phone use while driving are downright startling. In fact, at any given time throughout the day, approximately 660,000 drivers are attempting to use their phones while behind the wheel of an automobile.

    Smartphones have made it easy for us to stay connected at all times. But that can pose serious safety risks if someone decides to check his or her text messages, emails, phone calls, or any other mobile applications while driving.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cel...egQIARAn&biw=360&bih=569#imgrc=rX3GlNwzhx8xxM

    https://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html
     
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    And yet, so many people don't get it.

    When I mentioned that I broke up with a man I had been dating, he thought he could drive, hold a beverage, talk on the phone, and change out the CD all at the same time. If he was just driving he wasn't a good driver. Driving and doing all the rest that he tried to do did not help any part of it. In his lifetime he has had numerous accidents. No surprise to me.

    And because there are so many other people who drive while cell phoning, I think it is even more important to be alert and aware. I can tell you that I think of my driver's education teacher absolutely every day when I am driving. When we were having our hour of class time each week, we were discussing and looking at techniques. When we were with our group driving for an hour each week, we were critiquing each other's driving and techniques. In some ways, it almost ruined me for seeing other people drive.
     
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    The problem with using a cell phone while driving is not caused by not having both hands on the wheel.
    Most people use 1 hand to drive anyhow.
    The problem is they are paying attention to the conversation instead of their driving.
    Hands free laws are just a feel good stunt so the PTB can say they are doing something.
    Kind of like the TSA at airports.
    The only way to stop people from using their cell phones while driving is to confiscate the phone when they are caught.
    Imagine the reaction of someone when the police take their $1000 cell phone.
    Of course the phone companies can stop it but they won't.
    AT&T has a driving mode that sends all calls to voice mail and all text messages are stored.
    That could be used automatically if you are moving faster than a walking speed.
     
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    Why is talking with the person in the seat next to you not as distracting as talking to someone on the phone, hands free or not?
    Have you noticed...when you're talking to a person who is with you, don't you pause as you approach the next situation requiring your attention? Slowing down for a stop light or sign, yielding on a highway ramp, turning left, etc.
    The person who is with you isn't trying to be a distraction and most will watch with you as you go through the motions, right? Meanwhile, the person on the other end of the line has no clue or care where you're positioned in your journey. They can't see it, so they don't know the dangers and thus, are a distraction.
     
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    my answer is short...

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    Yes, I talk and drive. And I do just fine with it. Situational awareness is a learned skill not a natural phenomenon. Some people dont take the time to cultivate it. If you cant have a phone conversation and drive it's probably time to hand in the keys. When I was a kid I was a smoker. I could drive stick shift, roll a cigarette one handed, and occasionally sip coffee and still drive effectively. Everybody is good at something I guess.
     
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    I don't talk on the cellular when I'm driving, cutting trees, mowing, reading, reloading, taking a shower, during chicken chores, changing oil, building, taking a nap, eating, target practicing, shoveling snow, cleaning the roof gutters...come to think about it I just don't talk much on the cell hardly at all.
     
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    I tried talking on my phone while driving but the darned thing won't work when you unplug the cord from the wall.
     
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    Gray tape a generator on the truck roof will solve that problem...believe that is what they call wireless!
     
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    but, but, but the wire carries the signal in my phone. More than a generator is needed to make a call. What I need is a really llooooonnnngggg cord. :(
     
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    You got one of those r e a l l y old ones. When you wrote unplug from the wall I was thinking of the power cord. :D You older then dirt?
     
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    It's against the law here to talk on the phone and drive.
    Righty so.

    I do happen to "talk" and drive.....if by talk you mean muttering under my breath to God Almighty how he MUST have his hand on some
    of these fools because that's the only way I can figure they've lived long enough to procreate.
    This muttering is sometimes punctuated by apologies for letting "language" creep in.

    The prayer -
    Dear Lord PLEASE give me patience
    because if you give me strength I'm going to
    need bail money to go with it.
    Amen.

    Seems apt.
     
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    Both of our vehicles are “hands free” but I seldom do any callIng on it. It’s nice though, I have an answer button on my stirring wheel. Never have to take my eyes off the road. However, I never have to dial anything, just give a voice command, but I still don’t like to use it while I’m driving.
     
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    Well I admit that before it was illegal to talk on phone and drive, I did. Then the hands free rule came into affect, I resisted it, but cut my driving and talking down, then I purchased a headset and I was like, why didn't I get one sooner. My headset died recently and if I answer the phone, I have pulled over in side of road.
     
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    never...I pull over if I have to talk to anyone... but I rarely have this issue anyways..
    I ignore personal calls while driving and call back when Im free and any number I don't know I don't pick up. Im not that important, I hate talking on the phone most times..and Ive few friends who even try..mainly because they know me n phones don't get along..
    I don't even have voice mail set up..a neighbor asked Ill leave a voice message recently and I said, " you better leave a text instead, I don't have voice message set up. It s like a answering machine to me..and I hated them too."
    there is a reason why I like living in the boonies...Im a odd duck
     
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    My car has a hands free set=up, but unless I know you, I dont answer. If I do, it's to say, I will call you back after I pull into a safe spot to talk. Same for texts, in a safe spot, not moving.
     
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    Sounds just like me back when, I would always have to twist one up while on the road. I drove my 1972, 4-speed truck to the hospital without use of my right arm one time, and probably had a smoke and cup of coffee going too. That was when it was a looong way for the left arm to reach the stick and no power steering.

    Back OT. No, I do not answer the phone when I am operating a motor vehicle. I do not think I am that important that something can’t wait until I reach my destination to deal with. If someone wants to get a hold of me, they will call back when they know I am at home. I lived a long time without an answering machine also, I can still get by without one now.
     
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    99% of the time, I do not talk on the phone when driving. I am not coordinated to do either well at the same time. About the only exception is when I'm driving the RV (truck and large 5th wheel) and my wife is following behind. If she calls when in that situation, I do answer because I figure it could be something related to a safety issue or something going wrong that I really need to know about.

    I have voice mail and I let calls go to that very regularly. Even when I'm not driving, I refuse to be a prisoner to my phone. If I am busy and do not want to be interrupted, you can leave a message. If it's important, I'll call you back. If it's idle chit chat and I really don't want to call you back, I may not. If I want to talk, I'll often text when I get to where I'm going to see if you still want to talk. Hey, sometimes it's a while until I can so I understand when other people may be having dinner or it might be too late, that kind of thing. I don't like being disturbed or disturbing others.

    Telemarketers... well, if I do happen to answer, they may just get to hear cuss words reserved only for them. I have apps that block unwanted calls but occasionally, they still get through. It's a good thing it's not too often, otherwise, I'd never be allowed in church. LOL!

    How's that for an answer??!!
     
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    I see my daughter almost every day. I always get my best conversations with her in the car, usually taking her to and from the airport. I let someone else drive so that I don't have to be driving and talking. I know that I am a better driver when I am alone in a car. I know that when someone else is in the car, I am not as good a driver. I also know that if I am doing anything else, other than driving, I am not as good a driver.
     
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    When I drive I am usually alone but even when I have people in the car with me I don't pay attention to the conversations. I am a driver and I pay attention to the road, traffic, directions and speed. I don't have the ability to do that and be ready for any emergency that might emerge. I have put my car into a broad-slide to avoid a collision with a driver who pulled out in front of me, maneuvered my car around a semi tractor-trailer who was passing another rig around a blind corner and even avoided hitting a deer while going 70 mph on the interstate. I learned to drive on dirt roads and I still like to push the limits but only when alone and only when I know the road is clear of other traffic. Let's face it, it is a blast to slide through a corner on the edge of adhesion on a dirt road when you know you are at the edge of control. Yes, sometimes I push too far but it is still just as much fun at 67 years old as it was when I was 18.:green man::fun fun:
     
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    The State patrol issues tickets to people that pull over on the freeway to talk.
    It's the same fine as holding your phone.

    My phone automatically answers if I am on a Bluetooth device, like my truck stereo.
    There are exemptions to the law in Washington.
    If you wear hearing aids you are allowed to hold your phone and drive.
    You can wear head phones that cover both ears if you wear hearing aids but no to listen to music.
    Washington has a Distracted Driving law.
    If you are distracted by anything you can get a ticket.
    Mostly happens if you have an accident they add on the distracted driving charge.
     

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