Discussion in 'Long guns and Handguns' started by BlueZ, Nov 6, 2018.
A little data point here:
I was putting on a class last winter.. and we cold soaked our gear.. rifles, mags, optics, ammo , outside overnite.
It was 9F when we went to the range.
Lancers seemed to provoke frequent jams when this cold.
My guess would be something to do with the geometry of the steel lips changing.
Switched to , Tangodowns, Pmags and Troys for the day.. I generally rank Lancers high.... but in this cold the Lancers were no good.
I have a lot of the Magpuls I need to reinstall the covers tho I only load to 28 no matter what brand it is, I have actually dented brass with some mags loaded to 30 when inserted with a closed bolt.
I use just about any mags. The only mag failure I ever had was a Brownells 20 round GI mag loaded with steel cased. The first and second rounds wouldn't feed. Other than that every single mag I've ever used has been 100%.
I like Lancers best but they're expensive. My go to is 20 round PMags for bench work and coyote hunting, and I save the Lancers for fun shooting.
I pretty much run the military surplus metal mags. Never had a problem with any of them.
I ordered 4 Lancer mags. My thought is with no dust covers and metal lips they will be perfect for keeping them in the rifles. Hot and ready to go, no concerns of "will the plastic lips" or "28 rounds enough?".
Lancers are among the best. You should be pleased with them.
Hope so. If the four prove satisfactory then purchase more for the "load outs" and reassign our P-Mags as empty spares.
They'll be good, and really, GI mags should be good too, if you get the better quality ones. I wouldn't be afraid to leave my D&H or Bushmasters loaded up in the gun...
A friend gave me six twenty round Okay magazines he found while cleaning out a storage unit, Okay made magazines for Colt and the military and they seem to function very well. They are made out of aluminum and do have some sharp edges but that's easily taken care of, I would by new Okay brands without hesitation.
One good point about the Lancers is that the manufacturer controlled the dimensions to more closer mimic the USGI mag.
Much very affordable surplus gear exists that is made for the USGI mags and so simply wont close to retention Pmags and Tangodown (which are also awesome)
So in my experience the Lancers are one of only 2 aftermarket polymers that can be smoothly fit with confidence in USGI rigs.
The other one is Troy (which fits even a hair better)
but still when it gets very cold.. I am not running the lancers.
You cost me $400 today BlueZ. I went out looking for your Lancers. The price was half again what it should be so I passed on them. Unfortunately a 590 grabbed me and threatened violence unless I took it home. It was marked $130 off store price or $50 off internet price.
You gotta watch out for those, your lucky only one got hold of you.
I bought two Lancers magazines for a look see. My "Go to" rifles are stored with magazines inserted. Pmag rumors (?) of the polymer lips could/might spread causing a miss feed. So I figured why not try the Lancers? Other then a hard shove to get the mag release to catch, they appear to be top quality and several notches above Pmags. When the weather cooperates I'll see how they live fire. They cost twice as much as Pmags so I'm figuring 4 Lancers loaded in the vest and 2 Lancers in the rifles. Pmages stored unloaded and in standby.
My gen 3 PMags come with a dust cover. As I understand the article, as long as I store the loaded magazines with the dust cover in place it will take the pressure off the lips. I have also changed out some of my magazine springs with flat springs. I can carry an extra round or two and they don't take a set.
I'm thinking that if my magazine in the gun is a surplus steel magazine then I shouldn't have to spend the extra for Lancers. If Lancers don't like the cold I may not want them in the mix anyway.
So what is the general poop on PMags? I have several of them and haven't had any problems with them. Granted I haven't used them in any extreme conditions yet. But they seem pretty solid to me.
PMags are fine. They're not better than good quality GI mags, Lancer AWMs, or ETS mags. Guys who like to dress up in SWAT gear and run around shooting dirt clods at the local gravel pit seem to have the attitude that AR15s will immediately malfunction if you don't use PMags. They're full of crap. They are just a very good plastic mag at a reasonable cost. I have some, and I use a 20 rounder for coyote hunting. They can and do break just like any other mag. But they are also just as reliable as any other good mag. I give them the thumbs up. But when some mall ninja tells me every other mag is crap I usually tell him that PMags fail all the time in the real world just to watch his head explode. Kind of like telling Glock fanboys that Glocks are overpriced jam-o-matics. Glocks are just fine, but it's fun to watch them have an aneurysm when someone says Glock sucks...
In a SHTF scenario I figure I may not have the time (or remember) to remove the dust cover(s) on my primary magazines. Secondary loaded Pmags, yep I got the dust covers on them.
I have 20 PMags fully loaded along with 20 GI steel mags.
No dust covers and so far no problems.
Well I used Al Bore's Internet and did a little searching. From this research IMHO the Pmag failure is from ARs that are not within Mil-spec. Mags are being forced too far into the mag well and the bolt is hitting the rear of the Pmag. Pieces of the Pmag are then broken loose and/or the seam where the two halves are joined break. By loading the Pmag to capacity or spreading the loading lips manually the seam crack can be seen. Pmag has addressed out of spec AR use by increasing bolt clearance and an over-travel stop on the spline.
There is nothing wrong with PMags.. except the dimensions are a bit thick and they will not fit real well in some of the rigs designed for USGI mags (which many are)
The lip spreading thing is a possibility but I dont think its a huge problem..
The Lancers are a bit stronger, come in different colors all the way to full transparent.. the steel lips make it strong in the most important area.. and they fit rig with USGI sized Mag pouches.
The only knock on them is the one I mentioned. .. but it needs to be COLD for this to happen.. I had run them at 32F no problem.. just at 9F I( ( and others on my team) started having frequent issues.
Incidentally only those of us using milspec receivers had issues.. A buddy of mine with a magnesium lightweight lower had no issues running the lancers even in the cold..
I live in the banana belt and it rarely gets to -10ºF but I don't have to drive very far before I get to areas where it gets cold. I'll pick up some Mil surplus mags and give them a try. Most of my P-Mags came with dust covers so I'll load those for a reserve. I have a couple flat springs left so I'll replace the springs and look for a new follower. That should take care of any problems with the surplus mags.
The best way to test your set up ( after all there ARE differneces between rifles) is to run your set up and run it HARD.
Take 500 rds of cheap ammo find a place you can shoot dynamically and have a buddy conduct updrills for you.
Or if u dont have such a facility bite the bullet and spring for Carbine course.
Only THEN will you with certainty know if your chest rig fits you properly... if your mags feed consistently and if your gun runs well.
And the practice in running your gun hard from different positions is perhaps even more important.
Thanks for the input guys.
Banana belt?? I think your hat is a bit to tight, its addled your brain!
I ordered USGI Okay Surefire new magazines. $6 cheaper (each with free shipping) then Pmag M3. I'll give them a try. My main concern is metal to metal rattle in ammo pouches.
So does that mean that live in the Kudzu Belt???.....
Banana belt is facetious terminology for where there is a small area in an larger geographic area noted for frigid temps that enjoys temps a little warmer, as Caribou mentioned.
Montana, Oregon, Washington, and many other states have a banana belt.
Midway has steel AR-15 mags for $10 and aluminium for a few cents more. Any opinions on which is better?
Steel is tougher, aluminum is lighter. I personally will use either one so long as I think it's from a trusted manufacturer of good quality mags. Brownells, Colt, D&H, NHGMT, and Bushmaster all have good reputations. There are others too, but I cant think of them off the top of my head...But if a mag is from any of those companies it's probably good to go whether it's steel or aluminum.
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