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I've thought about this some, as it relates to the possible targets around me. Des Moines is about 40 air miles south/southeast of me, and it is both a financial/insurance hub, and a transportation hub with the intersection of I-35 and I-80 plus 2 major and one smaller rail lines. However it is downwind of the prevailing winds. What concerns me more is the tactical targets of Omaha and Sioux City, to the west and northwest. Sioux City, especially, is home to an important refueling wing of the Air Guard - they fuel the B2 stealth bombers - so it's a fairly important target and the prevailing wind is generally from that direction. If there's a nuke attack I would imagine I'll be a goner due to not being able to get my meds, but I want to help ensure my daughter's safety.
 
SheepDog said:
primary targets:
International airports, Military hubs, training bases, naval supply bases, ship and aircraft building facilities, nuclear storage facilities, military C&C facilities, major financial hubs and large population centers.

secondary targets:
major power stations, commercial facilities, transportation hubs, major dams and oil production facilities.

The targets that are likely to generate highest fallout:
airports, manufacturing facilities, nuclear storage facilities, transportation hubs and major dams.
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✔ Marked safe from (most) all of the above. The closet concern in Nellis AFB but it is relatively small.
 
Keep in mind that if they don't have to make craters you probably won't have fallout. Modern nukes are detonated between 3/4 and 5 miles above ground level to do the maximum blast and heat damage. At that distance they don't pull dirt into the mushroom so there is no fallout - not enough to measure. You still have to be concerned with direct radiation, blast and heat but only for a range of a few miles.
 
Spikedriver said:
I've thought about this some, as it relates to the possible targets around me. Des Moines is about 40 air miles south/southeast of me, and it is both a financial/insurance hub, and a transportation hub with the intersection of I-35 and I-80 plus 2 major and one smaller rail lines. However it is downwind of the prevailing winds. What concerns me more is the tactical targets of Omaha and Sioux City, to the west and northwest. Sioux City, especially, is home to an important refueling wing of the Air Guard - they fuel the B2 stealth bombers - so it's a fairly important target and the prevailing wind is generally from that direction. If there's a nuke attack I would imagine I'll be a goner due to not being able to get my meds, but I want to help ensure my daughter's safety.
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If you can hold out for about two weeks, the most threatening radiation will be gone. Iodine 131 is the real killer. That is what will attack the thyroid, but it only has a half-life of 8 days. After two or three weeks most of it would be gone, and it would be relatively safe to go outside. If your daughter is under 17 I would ask her doctor if he/she would recommend potassium iodide pills and the correct dosage.
 
lilmissy said:
What about fall out, this would affect our ponds, springs, water supplies, right?
the organic prepper has had some short articles on the nuclear possibilities lately if you want to check them out
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Water pumped out of a well in the ground would be unaffected.
@Morgan101 touched on the most important part:
"That is what will attack the thyroid, but it only has a half-life of 8 days. After two or three weeks most of it would be gone, and it would be relatively safe to go outside."
This is the biggest danger that will badly affect millions that don't know any better.
After a few weeks, the fallout on harvested vegetables will be the biggest danger to people if consumed without it being washed off good first.
Want an apple? After I have had a chance to wand it first, yes.
 
lilmissy said:
What kind of wand do you have?
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One on a low-level radiation detector.
Everybody has one. :thumbs:


You don't want to consume anything that is contaminated/unsafe. Knowing what is not safe is important. (and don't wand any no-sodium salt-substitute 😳, you won't like it nomore :().
 
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havasu said:
I haven't heard anyone stocking up on potassium iodide (sp). Your thoughts?
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I have had some for a while. When Fukishima blew, I looked for more and it was impossible to find. I looked at my potassium iodide and it was past the expiration date. I still have it, but I really wonder about shelf life. I it an FDA thing about labeling date of expiration, or is it still beneficial? I know that after Fukishima, all of a sudden the manufacturer got busy and made a bunch. I also remember that it is only recommended for younger people.
I'm only posting part of the information. There is more information there that is worth reading. I think I'll print it out and put it with mine.
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/emergencies/ki.htmHow does KI (potassium iodide) work?
The thyroid gland cannot tell the difference between stable and radioactive iodine. It will absorb both.

KI (potassium iodide) blocks radioactive iodine from entering the thyroid. When a person takes KI, the stable iodine in the medicine gets absorbed by the thyroid. Because KI contains so much stable iodine, the thyroid gland becomes “full” and cannot absorb any more iodine—either stable or radioactive—for the next 24 hours.

KI (potassium iodide) may not give a person 100% protection against radioactive iodine. Protection will increase depending on three factors.
  • Time after contamination: The sooner a person takes KI, the more time the thyroid will have to “fill up” with stable iodine.
  • Absorption: The amount of stable iodine that gets to the thyroid depends on how fast KI is absorbed into the blood.
  • Dose of radioactive iodine: Minimizing the total amount of radioactive iodine a person is exposed to will lower the amount of harmful radioactive iodine the thyroid can absorb.
Who can take KI (potassium iodide)?
The thyroid glands of a fetus and of an infant are most at risk of injury from radioactive iodine. Young children and people with low amounts of iodine in their thyroid are also at risk of thyroid injury.

Infants (including breast-fed infants)
Infants have the highest risk of getting thyroid cancer after being exposed to radioactive iodine. All infants, including breast-fed infants need to be given the dosage of KI (potassium iodide) recommended for infants.
  • Infants (particularly newborns) should receive a single dose of KI. More than a single dose may lead to later problems with normal development. Other protective measures should be used.
  • In cases where more than one dose is necessary, medical follow up may be necessary.
Children
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommends that all children internally contaminated with (or likely to be internally contaminated with) radioactive iodine take KI (potassium iodide), unless they have known allergies to iodine (contraindications).
Young Adults
The FDA recommends that young adults (between the ages of 18 and 40 years) internally contaminated with (or likely to be internally contaminated with) radioactive iodine take the recommended dose of KI (potassium iodide). Young adults are less sensitive to the effects of radioactive iodine than are children.
Pregnant Women
Because all forms of iodine cross the placenta, pregnant women should take KI (potassium iodide) to protect the growing fetus. Pregnant women should take only one dose of KI following internal contamination with (or likely internal contamination with) radioactive iodine.
Breastfeeding Women
Women who are breastfeeding should take only one dose of KI (potassium iodide) if they have been internally contaminated with (or are likely to be internally contaminated with) radioactive iodine. They should be prioritized to receive other protective action measures.
Adults
Adults older than 40 years should not take KI (potassium iodide) unless public health or emergency management officials say that contamination with a very large dose of radioactive iodine is expected.
  • Adults older than 40 years have the lowest chance of developing thyroid cancer or thyroid injury after contamination with radioactive iodine.
  • Adults older than 40 are more likely to have allergic reactions to or adverse effects from KI.
 
here is a video series if anyone is interested. ive not watched it all, its a series, just sharing in case others might find it helpful. nuke specialist from military


Nuclear Prepping Series

 
INresponse said:
I was curious about fallout that would come my direction. Usually the jet stream from southern California goes south of us or north of us, but on occasion if there is a storm system it may come directly over our area. One can only guess but odds are the wind currents would spare my area if San Diego/Camp Pendleton were targeted, or if Los Angeles was targeted. If for some reason Nellis AFB was targeted just north of Las Vegas a ground detonation would be a major problem for fallout for me, if Area 51 was targeted with a ground detonation it would/should stay well north of me. An airburst would not be a problem for me unless for some reason one ended up in "nothing important' southern Utah.

Anyways, here is something I found that could occupy 15 or 20 minutes of your time. It wont be fun, but if you are far enough from a target it should/could be survivable. I am not making any "factual" claims as I am not an expert, opinions will vary, consult a doctor if you experience nausea or vomiting, headache or blurred vision, or constipation. Consult an experienced bar tender or cocktail waitress if you are feeling nervous, scared, or anxious, or if you know someone that is feeling nervous, scared, or anxious. (this last part is humor)

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
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Hmmm. Now I have to look at southern Cali and AZ and see what might be targets.
 
jazzy said:
some info and videos

How To Build A Fallout Shelter In Your Own Home, And On A Budget To Boot!

https://allnewspipeline.com/How_To_Build_A_Fallout_Shelter_In_Your_Own_Home.php
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Terri9630 said:
Hmmm. Now I have to look at southern Cali and AZ and see what might be targets.
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Camp Pendleton is Marines, right? San Diego for sure with all of the Naval business, The Port of Los Angeles I believe is the busiest port in the country. Arizona has bases in Tucson and Phoenix, and there used to be missile silos in between the two.

Find a cave somewhere out in the desert where you can hunker down for a few weeks. Doesn't sound like a very good place to be.
 
I bought and used KI capsules a couple years ago. No I wasn't standing next to any fallout. I read that if you have low iodine it can cause bad headaches (something I have almost every day). So I took some KI for a couple months and it did nothing for me or to me. YRMV
 
I'm pretty certain ( 98% ) the US would get hit with a cyber attack if it decided to impinge upon Russia's home soil.

An EMP would be the second line of defence.

A nuke would be incoming if America did something dumb..and being America that is high on cards.
In the instance of M.A.D someone has to start it and it wouldn't be Putin but he sure as heck would finish it.

America has poked the wrong bear and it has crap coming.
 
There are lots of good threads on that on the other forum

I am done cleaning our fallout shelter, just need to stock it now. Husband is making me a little mad. I keep asking him to deal with the electronics so they keep working after EMP, and he really doesn't know anything. My gosh, he is the electrical engineer /rocket scientist, but every time I ask him to deal with something practical he doesn't know how!! Grrr.....
 
sonya123 said:
There are lots of good threads on that on the other forum

I am done cleaning our fallout shelter, just need to stock it now. Husband is making me a little mad. I keep asking him to deal with the electronics so they keep working after EMP, and he really doesn't know anything. My gosh, he is the electrical engineer /rocket scientist, but every time I ask him to deal with something practical he doesn't know how!! Grrr.....
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sometimes some people dont want to deal with a topci cause its too damn scary. cause if they do it might come real. got some family like that, they see whats happening and problems and potential threats ahead but cant do anything cause it makes it 'real'.

just go ahead and get some faraday bags from amazon . emp shield isnt a bad idea--from what ive leartned if a cme or emp anything actually plugged in is protected from surge and protects the house from shortages and fires.

you can alwasy do a bit of research and lay it out and tell him, thiis is what im going to do unless you have a better idea and you got 72hrs to change my mind. if he isnt interested get the faraday bags and emp shield or whatever you think is right for you.

i got mine from standeyo.com
they have different kinds for a home, vehicle, big business building, the govt is buying the crap out of them. i think the home version is around $300 but he offered a $50 discount.
im not affiliated in any way. after some research and talking with some friends way smarter than me i decided to get one for my home.

sometimes its not worth the stress of hoping soeone will do something, just do it and you know its taken care of. just keep asking Gosdwhat you need to take care of and keep plugging away at it
 
jazzy said:
sometimes some people dont want to deal with a topci cause its too damn scary. cause if they do it might come real. got some family like that, they see whats happening and problems and potential threats ahead but cant do anything cause it makes it 'real'.
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No he's just lazy sometimes....he worked for a defense contractor and knew damned well what he was building
He would just have to do a little research to figure out how EMP affects a truck or some piece of electronic equipment instead of how it affects say ...a missile's aiming mechanism...
We used to joke that I built the targets ( I was a civil engineer) and he built the weapons to blow it up....not really funny now

I just want to know if you disconnect the battery of your vehicle, and then the EMP hits, will the electronics in it be damaged or not. If we put a generator in the basement, will it still work after EMP. That sort of thing.
 
I had not heard this before, but it seems to be based on fact and well documented. Apple Juice is something we (my family) all like and should have anyway, but it looks like it has additional therapeutic value after a nuclear incident.

 
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their info is free, no charge.

they added free videos to watch 1- how to stay safe from fallout and 2-surviving the aftermath and others.

all free

like everyone else on the net with a business providing info and news, they accept donations. been around many years and donations offset costs.
 
I already have Cobalt 60 in my bones and blood from living next to a bomb trigger factory. 56 years and I still have no arm growing out of my chest. Why can't I die young like everyone else did? I must be too stupid to give up. :p
 
Magus said:
I already have Cobalt 60 in my bones and blood from living next to a bomb trigger factory. 56 years and I still have no arm growing out of my chest. Why can't I die young like everyone else did? I must be too stupid to give up. :p
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There are so many times when I could have used a third hand...

I taught myself to solder with one hand (like using chop sticks) back in the early 80s...

Re: " Why can't I die young like everyone else did

I had a grand crew check out in their 20's. Then many check out in their early 50s. Seems I have things to do before I am done. May be the same with you?

Ben
 
Both they tell me.
The gripe is they'll put me somewhere else just as lame when I'm done here.

I had a Chinese lady teach me all about chopsticks. I can eat rice with them. :p
 
I am not looking to argue with anyone who knows more that me but this is what I was taught 12 years ago.
I might have mentioned this before but it is worth repeating. A few months before I retired for LEO I was assigned to take a class on Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Weapons. I don't know why, the entire department knew I was leaving in a few months but it was a week of air conditioned classroom so I was not gonna object.
What I learned is basically do not inhale or ingest radiation. A simple, cheap N-95 mask will keep radiation out of your internals. If you get it on your skin a simple hose down or bath will wash it off. Is it nasty? Yes. Will simple exposure kill you? Not if you keep it out of your body and wash it off fairly soon. With the Geiger Counters it was shown to us that most radiation (from a bomb) wont penetrate a piece of paper or clothing
I am no expert but the guy our PD hired to teach us this stuff said chemical and biological weapons are far more dangerous. If you can stay indoors or go outside with long sleeve shirts and long pants and wash off as soon as you come back inside the radiation wont be lethal if you are outside the blast zone. So, if you are not living next to a major military base or one of the top 5 or 10 major cities odds are you will survive a nuclear blast if you don't breath in the fallout. And, modern military efforts are for the bomb to detonate above ground. Ground detonations are old school and will cause the worst fallout. Now, there is no way of knowing what might happen but from what I was taught in a class by a "so called professional" is that if you can stay in doors for 3 or 4 weeks you can survive. You may want to study up on how to remove the top 4 or 5 inches of contaminated topsoil from your yard/garden but nuclear war is not as deadly as the movies and media want you to think.
Again, I am no expert and others may disagree but this is what I was taught buy a "government expert" in 2010 right before I retired.
 
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