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Someone posted under “covid” an article about masks causing pneumonia. The article itself was rather weak on facts. However, I was once involved in a cystic fibrosis study at Stanford University and this article rang true on several levels. The children’s center at Stanford University is the Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital where a lot of research is done.

I remember a great deal of discussion at the time about masks causing illness with children. Special masks were necessary to monitor lung capacity of children with cystic fibrosis. At the time children were getting sick with a host of respiratory issues.

With this in mind I did a little research…

Guess who co-authored an article about masks causing pneumonia during the 1918 flu pandemic… Dr. Anthony Fauci. The article appeared in a publication by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in the summer of 2008.

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The title of the article at the National Institute of Health’s publication is…

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

Implications for Future Pandemic Planning


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The full report appeared in the “Oxford Academic” - “The Journal of infectious Diseases”. A very good report…

The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 198, Issue 7, 1 October 2008,

Here is their link… Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness

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An article about the NIH report appeared in Science Daily 20aug08. They actually interviewed Dr. Fauci… It’s here… Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths In 1918 Influenza Pandemic

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Here is a good article about covid and pneumonia…

What Coronavirus Does to the Lungs – John Hopkins What Coronavirus Does to the Lungs

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Here is the National Institute of Health news release on the report. The pdf at the bottom is a copy of this article.

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

Implications for Future Pandemic Planning

The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection. The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs along a pathway created when the virus destroyed the cells that line the bronchial tubes and lungs.

A future influenza pandemic may unfold in a similar manner, say the NIAID authors, whose paper in the Oct. 1 issue of The Journal of Infectious Diseases is now available online. Therefore, the authors conclude, comprehensive pandemic preparations should include not only efforts to produce new or improved influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs but also provisions to stockpile antibiotics and bacterial vaccines as well.

The work presents complementary lines of evidence from the fields of pathology and history of medicine to support this conclusion. "The weight of evidence we examined from both historical and modern analyses of the 1918 influenza pandemic favors a scenario in which viral damage followed by bacterial pneumonia led to the vast majority of deaths," says co-author NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. "In essence, the virus landed the first blow while bacteria delivered the knockout punch."

NIAID co-author and pathologist Jeffery Taubenberger, M.D., Ph.D., examined lung tissue samples from 58 soldiers who died of influenza at various U. S. military bases in 1918 and 1919. The samples, preserved in paraffin blocks, were re-cut and stained to allow microscopic evaluation. Examination revealed a spectrum of tissue damage "ranging from changes characteristic of the primary viral pneumonia and evidence of tissue repair to evidence of severe, acute, secondary bacterial pneumonia," says Dr. Taubenberger. In most cases, he adds, the predominant disease at the time of death appeared to have been bacterial pneumonia. There also was evidence that the virus destroyed the cells lining the bronchial tubes, including cells with protective hair-like projections, or cilia. This loss made other kinds of cells throughout the entire respiratory tract — including cells deep in the lungs — vulnerable to attack by bacteria that migrated down the newly created pathway from the nose and throat.

In a quest to obtain all scientific publications reporting on the pathology and bacteriology of the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic, Dr. Taubenberger and NIAID co-author David Morens, M.D., searched bibliography sources for papers in any language. They also reviewed scientific and medical journals published in English, French and German, and located all papers reporting on autopsies conducted on influenza victims. From a pool of more than 2,000 publications that appeared between 1919 and 1929, the researchers identified 118 key autopsy series reports. In total, the autopsy series they reviewed represented 8,398 individual autopsies conducted in 15 countries.

The published reports "clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory flora in most influenza fatalities," says Dr. Morens. Pathologists of the time, he adds, were nearly unanimous in the conviction that deaths were not caused directly by the then-unidentified influenza virus, but rather resulted from severe secondary pneumonia caused by various bacteria. Absent the secondary bacterial infections, many patients might have survived, experts at the time believed. Indeed, the availability of antibiotics during the other influenza pandemics of the 20th century, specifically those of 1957 and 1968, was probably a key factor in the lower number of worldwide deaths during those outbreaks, notes Dr. Morens.

The cause and timing of the next influenza pandemic cannot be predicted with certainty, the authors acknowledge, nor can the virulence of the pandemic influenza virus strain. However, it is possible that — as in 1918 — a similar pattern of viral damage followed by bacterial invasion could unfold, say the authors. Preparations for diagnosing, treating and preventing bacterial pneumonia should be among highest priorities in influenza pandemic planning, they write. "We are encouraged by the fact that pandemic planners are already considering and implementing some of these actions," says Dr. Fauci.


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Someone posted under “covid” an article about masks causing pneumonia. The article itself was rather weak on facts. However, I was once involved in a cystic fibrosis study at Stanford University and this article rang true on several levels. The children’s center at Stanford University is the Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital where a lot of research is done.

I remember a great deal of discussion at the time about masks causing illness with children. Special masks were necessary to monitor lung capacity of children with cystic fibrosis. At the time children were getting sick with a host of respiratory issues.

With this in mind I did a little research…

Guess who co-authored an article about masks causing pneumonia during the 1918 flu pandemic… Dr. Anthony Fauci. The article appeared in a publication by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in the summer of 2008.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

The title of the article at the National Institute of Health’s publication is…

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

Implications for Future Pandemic Planning


---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The full report appeared in the “Oxford Academic” - “The Journal of infectious Diseases”. A very good report…

The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 198, Issue 7, 1 October 2008,

Here is their link… Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An article about the NIH report appeared in Science Daily 20aug08. They actually interviewed Dr. Fauci… It’s here… Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths In 1918 Influenza Pandemic

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is a good article about covid and pneumonia…

What Coronavirus Does to the Lungs – John Hopkins What Coronavirus Does to the Lungs

-------------------------------------------------------------

Here is the National Institute of Health news release on the report. The pdf at the bottom is a copy of this article.

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic

Implications for Future Pandemic Planning

The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection. The pneumonia was caused when bacteria that normally inhabit the nose and throat invaded the lungs along a pathway created when the virus destroyed the cells that line the bronchial tubes and lungs.

A future influenza pandemic may unfold in a similar manner, say the NIAID authors, whose paper in the Oct. 1 issue of The Journal of Infectious Diseases is now available online. Therefore, the authors conclude, comprehensive pandemic preparations should include not only efforts to produce new or improved influenza vaccines and antiviral drugs but also provisions to stockpile antibiotics and bacterial vaccines as well.

The work presents complementary lines of evidence from the fields of pathology and history of medicine to support this conclusion. "The weight of evidence we examined from both historical and modern analyses of the 1918 influenza pandemic favors a scenario in which viral damage followed by bacterial pneumonia led to the vast majority of deaths," says co-author NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. "In essence, the virus landed the first blow while bacteria delivered the knockout punch."

NIAID co-author and pathologist Jeffery Taubenberger, M.D., Ph.D., examined lung tissue samples from 58 soldiers who died of influenza at various U. S. military bases in 1918 and 1919. The samples, preserved in paraffin blocks, were re-cut and stained to allow microscopic evaluation. Examination revealed a spectrum of tissue damage "ranging from changes characteristic of the primary viral pneumonia and evidence of tissue repair to evidence of severe, acute, secondary bacterial pneumonia," says Dr. Taubenberger. In most cases, he adds, the predominant disease at the time of death appeared to have been bacterial pneumonia. There also was evidence that the virus destroyed the cells lining the bronchial tubes, including cells with protective hair-like projections, or cilia. This loss made other kinds of cells throughout the entire respiratory tract — including cells deep in the lungs — vulnerable to attack by bacteria that migrated down the newly created pathway from the nose and throat.

In a quest to obtain all scientific publications reporting on the pathology and bacteriology of the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic, Dr. Taubenberger and NIAID co-author David Morens, M.D., searched bibliography sources for papers in any language. They also reviewed scientific and medical journals published in English, French and German, and located all papers reporting on autopsies conducted on influenza victims. From a pool of more than 2,000 publications that appeared between 1919 and 1929, the researchers identified 118 key autopsy series reports. In total, the autopsy series they reviewed represented 8,398 individual autopsies conducted in 15 countries.

The published reports "clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory flora in most influenza fatalities," says Dr. Morens. Pathologists of the time, he adds, were nearly unanimous in the conviction that deaths were not caused directly by the then-unidentified influenza virus, but rather resulted from severe secondary pneumonia caused by various bacteria. Absent the secondary bacterial infections, many patients might have survived, experts at the time believed. Indeed, the availability of antibiotics during the other influenza pandemics of the 20th century, specifically those of 1957 and 1968, was probably a key factor in the lower number of worldwide deaths during those outbreaks, notes Dr. Morens.

The cause and timing of the next influenza pandemic cannot be predicted with certainty, the authors acknowledge, nor can the virulence of the pandemic influenza virus strain. However, it is possible that — as in 1918 — a similar pattern of viral damage followed by bacterial invasion could unfold, say the authors. Preparations for diagnosing, treating and preventing bacterial pneumonia should be among highest priorities in influenza pandemic planning, they write. "We are encouraged by the fact that pandemic planners are already considering and implementing some of these actions," says Dr. Fauci.


@DrPrepper @angie_nrs @Grizzleyette___Adams @Meerkat @viking @Terri9630 @UrbanHunter @VThillman @Amish Heart @Patchouli @Weedygarden @Grimm

I can't say/post what I am thinking right now. I would be banned for my explicit language....
 
I can't say/post what I am thinking right now. I would be banned for my explicit language....

You should have spent 2 hours digging through all this... CARP! This is the condensed version. :mad:

Fauci knew all along, He and his cronies in the press wanted to run up the death toll. This is murder.
 
So getting fresher new "clean" air (no mask) would be the better bet, eh?
No? Masks are good, masks are bad.
"Let's tell them they have to wear masks and see what happens."
Sick if you do, sick if you don't. Dead if you do, dead if you don't.
And how do they keep themselves well? Hydroxychloroquine?
 
It's confusing as all heck. What does not help are recent articles (this year since covid) trying to promote the party line and give cover to Fauci. Some articles are clearly written to protect Fauci, pretending to be "fact checkers" of sorts. I've seen enough from fact checkers this year to last me a lifetime.

In 1918 masks were heavily promoted in the western nations. They also had the highest rates of death from pneumonia. All of the real data is 100 years old, difficult to read and even harder to find on the internet. I wish I still had access to the library at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, that place was a gold mine of historical medical information.

I'm afraid what none of us will ever see is real data samples about covid.
 
My husband has chronic lung diseases, sarcoid in the lungs, asthma, copd, and his main doctor is in Denver at the National Jewish pulmonary hospital. They are the top specialist hospital for lungs in the whole US. He is a severe case, so that's why we go there twice a year for a week workup. They make everybody wear a mask that walks in the building. Even a mask over his nasal canula for his oxygen. I guess they're of the thought that masks don't cause pneumonia, strep, cancer. But they do limit oxygen intake.
 
My husband has chronic lung diseases, sarcoid in the lungs, asthma, copd,

I got a call yesterday about pneumonia from a relative because of my dads recent history. Starting 05January of this year my dad was in the ICU for 23 days, hospital 2+ weeks then moved to a nursing home for another 6 weeks.

Throughout all of this he received breathing treatments to prevent pneumonia. Every time dad's status or location changed I'd get briefing on restrictive/obstructive pneumonia. Meaning my dad was at a very high risk for pneumonia because he was bed ridden 24/7 and taking really strong pain medication. His breathing was depressed and shallow.

When the concern over covid began to spike while in the hosp. I brought in masks to protect dad. I did the same at the nursing home. I was told by his doctors that he was already at high risk for restrictive/obstructive pneumonia he should not use a mask as this would exacerbate his situation greatly.

I found a study by the National Institute of Health yesterday afternoon.

Objectives: This study was undertaken to evaluate whether the surgeons' oxygen saturation of hemoglobin was affected by the surgical mask or not during major operations.

Results: Our study revealed a decrease in the oxygen saturation of arterial pulsations (SpO2) and a slight increase in pulse rates compared to preoperative values in all surgeon groups. The decrease was more prominent in the surgeons aged over 35


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18500410/
This is common sense, anything that restricts breathing causes a host of issues when worn for hours including pneumonia.

I found the following article by the folks at Stanford University very revealing about N-95 masks.

APRIL 14, 2020
COVID-19 prompts Stanford engineers to rethink the humble face mask

But in filtering those particles, N95 masks can also make it harder to breathe. Based on literature and confirmed by our measurements, N95 masks are estimated to reduce oxygen intake by anywhere from 5 percent to 20 percent. That’s significant, even for a healthy person. It can cause dizziness and lightheadedness. For healthy people, these side effects are temporary and usually not an issue. But if you are severely ill and are continuously wearing an N95 mask for several hours at a time, it can damage the lungs. For a patient in respiratory distress, it can even be life threatening.


https://news.stanford.edu/2020/04/14/stanford-researchers-reengineer-covid-19-face-masks/
The article is clear that a temporary drop in oxygen levels of up to 20% in a healthy person are not a major concern.

Again, common sense... If a mask is preventing oxygen from getting into our bodies they are also preventing things from getting out... Exactly like the causes of restrictive/obstructive pneumonia.
 
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I am actually quite surprised that the whole mask mandate received any traction from the general public at all. ANY time the government tells me I must do something.....I pause. When they say it's b/c of the SCIENCE, then I really pause. They use that term to make people do things and to shut down the conversation, and thereby opposition. Add to that the blatent censoring of any opposition to what they are saying, and it's a recipe for disaster. An all 'one sided 'SCIENCE argument is pure propaganda. They aren't even hiding it anymore. Even science experts don't agree on everything, unless it's the laws of physics.....and even those are subject to change as we get more technologically advanced. Challenging those laws and the 'science' is how we advance. We don't advance by simply agreeing on everything and doing what we're told without question.

I hear that Biden would make a mask mandate when he takes office in January. I wonder, when will that mandate go away? My guess......never. I hear he also wants to madate mask wearing even at home while indoors. Guess who won't be doing that? My guess......nobody will be doing that. So, why would you make a mandate or law that you know nobody (including yourself) will follow? Maybe so that law enforcement can go and check? So, what happens if you are caught not wearing a mask in your own home? Seriously, these are questions that need to be asked and answered. This IMHO, it is akin to totalitarianism.

I've said from day one, the masks are a farse and are for optics only. They are being used as a political tool. It really makes me angry that medicine has been (and is now) being used as a weapon. It is being used to instill fear, especially in the vulernable population. It is being used to divide us. Is it a coincidence that China was really the only other country wearing masks before Covid? If the masks really worked, wouldn't Covid be but a distant memory right now? The states with the mandates that have been in place since early spring should be doing great right now, right? And the numbers......don't even get me started on the rigged numbers. That's pure and simply JUNK science!

These masks will likely continue to cause problems to the people who wear them, especially when they keep getting re-used. How many people are disposing of their masks when they are done wearing them? I'd speculate that the number is very low. I also re-use the mask I have b/c I know it doesn't make much difference for me as a healthy adult. Mine is a nylon type of material and I wear it under my nose.....basically for optics only so that I can go into stores. I breathe thru my nose, so the mask doesn't hamper my breathing. I've only been asked once to pull my mask up and it went right back down after the mask Nazi passed by me. I am not harming anyone by breathing thru my nose! Who ever would have thought that a cough or a sneeze would be considered worse than an all out fart in a store? If I were ever to cough or sneeze in my mask, it would go straight into the wash. Thankfully I am able to supress my sneezes by pinching the bridge of my nose. I cannot ever recall having to cough or sneeze while wearing my mask. But, if I'm sick, I don't go out either.
 
Below are some things I found on the world wide web. Take it for what it's worth. I happen to agree with it. As with all supporting 'data', you should take into consideration the political slant of the person collecting and analyzing any information and calling it data. I like the fact that the author in the article states that he would have published the article with the correct results no matter what his numbers showed, even if they didn't support his stance. Who knows if that is a true statement or not, but it is refreshing to hear. Sadly, with the political divide on this topic, we will probably never see any solid data b/c, at this point, nobody will trust any source.....myself included. So, to form my opinions, I rely on my own past training and education (that, thankfully back then) was not rooted in politics, and then apply logic. It certainly leaves room for error, but it's definitely no worse than what the MSM and politicians are trying to spoon feed to public to terrify them.

Politics Always Negates “Science”
One of the many reasons government should never be anywhere near science and health care is they can NEVER admit they’re wrong. No matter how much evidence, logic, and common sense tell us the masks are useless for containing the spread of Covid-19, it is waaaaay too embarrassing to say we’ve been wearing these stupid, dehumanizing, oxygen-depriving face coverings 9 months without effect. This is especially true when the next U.S. president has promised a 100-day nationwide mask mandate and the media has gone all-in on shaming anyone who doesn’t wear the sacred facemask.
The insanity will continue until we say ENOUGH!

Let’s examine the state that has done everything right according to “science”:
What If I Were to Tell You COVID Cases Would Be Declining Nationally If Not For One State
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...be-declining-nationally-if-not-for-o-n2582126
This Tennessee Data for Masked vs. Unmasked Counties Would Be on Every Front Page, if Results Were Different
https://townhall.com/columnists/sco...uld-be-on-every-front-page-if-it-sho-n2582176
 
After the Bird Flu scare, when you could actually buy masks, I picked up several N95 masks with an exhaust vent. This makes it easier to breath and it allows more of my breath to escape the mask so that I rebreathe less air. This should make for less rebreathing of CO2 and pathogens.
 
After the Bird Flu scare, when you could actually buy masks, I picked up several N95 masks with an exhaust vent. This makes it easier to breath and it allows more of my breath to escape the mask so that I rebreathe less air. This should make for less rebreathing of CO2 and pathogens.

I got my hands on some of these back in April. I wanted to make sure my dad didn't buy something that would end up hurting him. I dissected one and found that the filter material does not go into the vent. The vent is actually open and allows the 'bad' air to flow into the mask. You might as well not wear a mask.

You might want to check yours.

I got some of the medical N95 masks back when Ebola made its way to our shores. I wish I had gotten more but I thought 4 boxes of 20 each was good enough. Gave a box to my parents back in April.
 
I dont have any problems with a N95 for an hr or two at a time. My husband doesn't get enough oxygen wearing one. If he's moving around, he's using oxygen anyway.
Interesting though, our daughter who has pneumonia right now just got out of a 45 day rehab. She had to wear a mask there 24/7. No covid.
 
https://fakemaskusa.com/the-fake-mask/
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Dr. Anthony Fauci. sold his soul & only obey his masters.
 
He has too many masters and all of them are stupid.
 
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