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zannej

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My mother's ensuite is one fugly room. It originally had disgusting beige carpet. We had cheap linoleum put in & the installer caulked all 4 sides of the toilet (should have left the back open) so we didn't notice when there was a wax seal leak. We didn't find out about it until one day my brother was on the toilet and I heard a loud scream followed by a crash and profuse swearing. The septic tank had backed up (I mentioned before, tenants swore they had it sucked just before we moved back & told us we didn't need to get it serviced-- turns out out they lied & the field lines were stuffed with crud). Anyway, the floor rotted and gave way. Fortunately that ugly green toilet was partially over a floor joist so it didn't drop straight down, but it tipped over and dumped my brother and it's contents all over the floor (and all over my brother-- I shouldn't find it funny, but I do). My father patched the floor with some kind of OSB or particle board, but he didn't get it spanning the joists properly so there's too much movement to it and he filled gaps with wood putty. This was about 6 months or so before he died so his health had not been the best & he wasn't up to his usual standards of work. The linoleum got torn up and we put in a new toilet (I researched good toilets & we found the Toto Drake- I looked up detailed instructions on installation & helped my father install it).
We purchased sheet vinyl to put in & planned to fix the floor better but that all got sidetracked when my father passed away unexpectedly. We all went through a period of depression & we still miss him dearly.
My mother has since started having more mobility issues. She has difficulty getting up from sitting & she can't get in to the fugly avocado green one-piece fiberglass shower/tub combo. We got her a shower seat but there are no grab bars that will stick to it & there are no backers behind it as far as we know. The plumbing has moved a bit so it sticks out more than it should from the shower wall. The walls have green stripes (printed wall panels similar to the blue striped ones in my bathroom). We need to update it desperately so Mom can get in it instead of taking a sink bath.

To Do List:
*Rip out fugly showertub unit
*Move all furniture out of room to get it out of the way
*Repair floor-- probably need 1/8" solid underlayment over the top
*Level floor under tub & cut out area for drain of new shower
*Put in soft transition for carpet to sheet vinyl
*Trim back/replace/move studs for adjacent closet by about 1" for new shower
*Build backers for grab bars between studs
*Rough in plumbing
*Install shower valve (Moentrol IPS threaded valve- already purchased)
*Finish installing access panel in bedroom wall to get to plumbing (already purchased & cutting has started)
*Replace PVC & CPVC w/ PEX & add shutoffs accessible from panel
*Fix electrical & replace vent/light/heater with a unit that works
*Measure & make templates to mark backer locations to transfer to shower walls
*Install new right-hand drain direct-to-stud shower & wall 4-piece combo (thinking of getting Sterling Store Plus unit w/ modular shelves)
*Install Moen Kingsley Moentrol shower trim (already purchased)
*Install new shower arm plus escutcheon
*Install Moen Refresh slidebar w/ static showerhead & handheld (already purchased)
*Install 16" Moen grab bar w/ shelf (already purchased) either above or below trim handle
*Install long grab bar on back wall (length to be determined later)
*Install vertical grab bar (length to be determined) near entrance to shower
*Install Moen double-curved shower curtain rod (already purchased)
*Paint walls, cabinets, & shelves
*Install molding/trim & paint door trim (possibly install new door lever/handle)
*Replace or refinish marbled green laminate countertop
*Replace or refinish green sink
*Install ADA height Toto Eco Drake (already purchased)
*Put new Kohler Zofa Soft Slow-close toilet seat on toilet (already purchased)
*Purchase & put up shower caddy (need to find one that works with slidebar)

Optional steps:
*Install wainscoting
*Add support strips and doors to shelves
*Add shattaff sprayer for rinsing toilet or cleaning up accidents
*Add vanity light (already purchased)
*Replace metal window with double-pane energy efficient vinyl window
 

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My nephew used to do sub-contracting work, sheet rock, plumbing etc. 6 or so years ago he pulled out my parents old cast iron tub and put in a walk in shower. It was a 4 piece unit, 3 walls and floor unit.

They come with or with out sliding doors which my folks wanted and got.

A couple of years later I had him rip out my old tub and install a similar walk in unit. I didn't want a sliding door, just went with a shower curtain and rod, a couple of hundred cheaper.

I've had no problem with water splashing out of the base onto the floor. Once I got the shower curtain height set at each end it does a good job. It's a lot easier to replace a cheap shower curtain occasionally than clean sliding shower doors... Something to consider.

I got something like this unit from lowes. It was on sale for around $500.
 

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Pics:
S-trap under the lavatory
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Back wall with window 20170326_005224.jpg20170326_005228.jpg
Shelves on side 20170326_005249.jpg20170326_005303.jpg20170326_005303.jpg
Toilet 20170326_005341.jpg
Rough layout & estimated measurements momsbathroomlayout2.png

Eco Drake is same size & shape as existing toilet but has a taller bowl. I thought I had pictures of the shower but I need to find them & get shots of the showerhead & stuff. I forgot to mention that the tub floor is cracked & has been patched with black flex seal so it's really ugly.
 

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My nephew used to do sub-contracting work, sheet rock, plumbing etc. 6 or so years ago he pulled out my parents old cast iron tub and put in a walk in shower. It was a 4 piece unit, 3 walls and floor unit.

They come with or with out sliding doors which my folks wanted and got.

A couple of years later I had him rip out my old tub and install a similar walk in unit. I didn't want a sliding door, just went with a shower curtain and rod, a couple of hundred cheaper.

I've had no problem with water splashing out of the base onto the floor. Once I got the shower curtain height set at each end it does a good job. It's a lot easier to replace a cheap shower curtain occasionally than clean sliding shower doors... Something to consider.

I got something like this unit from lowes. It was on sale for around $500.
Thanks, Peanut. I'd been looking at the various Sterling options & that was one of the contenders but it keeps going up in price. It was only $400 something when I first looked at it. The one I like is this one but it's gone up $300 since I last looked at it https://www.lowes.com/pd/Sterling-Store-60-in-x-30-in-End-Drain-Shower/1001078910

I'm not sure if it will go back down or if I can find the pieces cheaper somewhere. I wish Lowes let me get military discount on stuff that is ordered to be shipped to store & that my local store was reliable about getting stuff-- they tend to lose stuff-- lost something I ordered that I had needed asap but they misplaced it for 3 weeks. Promised free delivery, then refused so I had to go back to the store a 3rd time (after two false alarms of them having it ready) to pick it up. I hit up customer service online & they gave me a $50 discount for my trouble.
They do appear to have this wallset at my local Lowes but not the correct showerpan. I'll have to figure out if the walls they have would fit with a right-hand drain. My mother liked the modular one better than the ensemble curve, but we'll have to see what the prices are and what is available.
I wish I had ordered stuff when it was cheaper.

This is the showerhead we got (but not for that price-- got it MUCH cheaper): https://www.lowes.com/pd/Moen-Refresh-Chrome-1-Spray-Dual-Shower-Head/1000053373
Also got this grab bar (also for less $): https://www.homedepot.com/p/MOEN-16-in-x-1-in-Screw-Grab-Bar-with-Shelf-in-Chrome-LR2356DCH/203623698
I'm thinking of getting this for the back wall: https://www.amazon.com/Moen-LR8724D3CH-24-Inch-Designer-Bathroom/dp/B001ASBPBY/
I need to measure to see if that last one will work for horizontal on back wall and one for vertical going on to the shower.
I'm still searching for a good wide shower seat with adjustable legs and suction cups to keep it from sliding. Mom is only around 225-230lbs but she has very wide hips-- she put on a lot of fat on her hips and backside & has sort of shelves that stick out on her sides.
 
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We know in our house that we have to have a walk in shower with a shower seat for husband. Unfortunately, ours is still under construction today, but hopefully it'll be done the end of day tomorrow. At the farm we have the bathtub shower, and he has managed with that with a transfer bench. But we will be building on a handicapped bathroom there later this year.
 

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@zannej I had my own health issues late last summer. I had to get a chair and change my shower head.

As it happened both my parents ended up needing my chair barely a month later. It's still there. The chair is rated to 300lbs and the legs are adjustable for height, has suction feet and the back can be removed if not needed. It has lots of holes in the seat for water drainage and bathing brushes etc. After a shower water drains away, it's self drying.

The shower head I bought is a delta from lowes. The center is a pop out hand held wand. The outer ring stays put. A valve behind the shower head can divert the water to the wand only, the ring only or both.

Because we put the shower head above the shower panel the hose was to short to reach down when I was sitting in the chair. I found another 3ft metal braided hose from an old hand held wand out in the shop. I added it "in line". I used a short piece of threaded brass pipe to connect the two wand hoses also from the shop. You can get threaded brass pipe and probably another short hose from a good hardware store.

Anyway I now have an extra long wand hose. Even now its handy for say... cleaning household waste baskets in the shower or other small items. The wand now reaches to the floor in the opposite end of the shower.

No, I don't clean engine parts in my shower... at least not lately! :rolleyes:

I got the chair on amazon.

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Looks like the Delta Intuition.
Moen makes a similar one with "Magnetix" where the wand attaches in via magnet. They also have a docking station that you can put lower that is magnetic & you can set the handheld in it at a lower height. Only problem is, person has to stand to use the diverter. My mother hates the idea of walk-in tubs. We have a wide shower seat that we got from Amazon but it doesn't have adjustable legs and suction cup feet so it tips. It was a "bariatric" one.

The shower setup we got for Mom has a 60" hose and 19" slidebar (starting at where the showerhead attaches to the arm. Stock photos of it appear to have an arm with 6" to 8" length-- I'm leaning toward thinking it's 6" but I'm terrible at judging these things (insert all sorts of dating jokes here).
The current shower arm (which looks bleh) is only about 4" long & comes out of the fiberglass rather than above it so it's short.

I found the shower walls & shelves for a decent price on HomeDepot but the right-hand shower pan is sold out. I'm waiting for them to get it back in stock.
the whole unit is available for around $600 at HomeDepot-- so I wonder if Lowes would price-match it because they have it online, but not in the store. I'd just have to hope they don't lose it. There was a lady there trying to find the parts to her shower that had was supposed to be delivered a month before (I think it was the glass doors). They had no idea where they were & a few hours later, her brother-in-law found the doors sitting out in the middle of the store unprotected. Fortunately, they weren't broken. But they were in an area where other customers could have knocked them over. I waited about 4 hours there trying to see where something I'd ordered was-- clerk was really damn rude about it too. Finally my kidney stones kicked in too much for me to stay. I told CS that the employees were not properly trained, had huge problems with communication, were disorganized, and the clerk was extremely rude. Next time I went in there, same clerk started to give me attitude but changed her tune when the supervisor came around and gave her stink-eye.
I'm really hoping they have improved their methods, but I doubt it.

I may have to try the Lowes in Lake Charles instead because they were more professional than the ones in Alexandria.
 

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Price on the shower went up again & it's still out-of-stock. More of the pieces are no longer available. It's pretty frustrating.
Found some more pics of the bathroom.
Ye ole ugly green shower/tub
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Mismatched handles (hot water one no longer works so it's cold showers and washing hair in the kitchen sink-- I took the valve/cartridge apart & everything-- seat looks fine but the damn thing still won't work)
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Showerhead-- flange won't stay in place tumblr_mkbwl2p2jy1qkwd9ao4_500.jpg
Flex seal patch where the floor cracked tumblr_mkby7rqy2e1qkwd9ao1_500.jpg

Inspiration for grab bar position-- below the Kingsley trim (will be 16" grab bar with a shelf) Would have loved that grab bar but it was too expensiveMoenKingsleywGrabBar.jpg
Stuff that will be in Mom's shower (although might go with a different drain bc the Kohler one is expensive as hell) We've purchased everything but the drain & the two longer grab bars. 24" one will be vertical for getting in to the shower. 36" will be on back wall. 6" shower arm was the one recommended by Moen to go with that showerhead. I think they said something about the trim should be 48" below the showerhead but I don't know if they mean where the arm comes out of the wall or where the showerhead actually starts. Will have to do some measurements- slidebar is 19" so will need to figure out the best placement so Mom can reach it while seated.
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She's 5'6" tall but has considerable backside cushioning to lift her up a bit more. I'm 5'5" but she has a longer torso. I'm like Conan O'Brien-- my height is in my legs & I have a short torso. When I sit next to her, she's about 3" taller due to the padding and longer torso.

I forgot, for the drain I saw Frodo post something once about a self-sealing drain but I'll have to find the link again.
 

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A number of years ago a friend asked me to fix the floor around the toilet in his sons mobile home, when I pulled the linoleum up, it was amazing to find that no one had fallen trough the floor, water leakage had delaminated the particle board flooring to where I could grab pieces of the flooring and easily pull it apart, my friend said that it was lucky that a 300 pound+ friend of his had not sat on the toilet. Anyway, I ended up installing a 1 1/8" piece of plywood to replace all the bad particle board flooring where the toilet sat, but the whole trailer needed to have the floor replaced, I think the trailer was built in the 60's or 70's and many were really poorly build, some with aluminum wiring and many with really crappy plumbing.
 

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A number of years ago a friend asked me to fix the floor around the toilet in his sons mobile home, when I pulled the linoleum up, it was amazing to find that no one had fallen trough the floor, water leakage had delaminated the particle board flooring to where I could grab pieces of the flooring and easily pull it apart, my friend said that it was lucky that a 300 pound+ friend of his had not sat on the toilet. Anyway, I ended up installing a 1 1/8" piece of plywood to replace all the bad particle board flooring where the toilet sat, but the whole trailer needed to have the floor replaced, I think the trailer was built in the 60's or 70's and many were really poorly build, some with aluminum wiring and many with really crappy plumbing.
This is one of the reasons I despise particle board. I don't view OSB as suitable for flooring either. The moisture barrier under the top layer in my bathroom saved the toilet from falling through, bc that layer was the consistency of mud around the closet flange when I went to remove it. I'm not looking forward to what the floor is going to look like in this project when we get the tub pulled out.
I'm waiting to see if they are going to shut down the casino my friend works at. If they do, we might have time for him to come over and help with stuff.
 

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Mom just started complaining about the height of her vanity. It's shorter than a regular counter so she has to bend down to wash her hands & she said it hurts her back. I'm not sure what height it is, but it's not very tall. It's an odd size (72"W x 24" deep) & was custom made out of scrap wood. The drawer bottoms are made made from the wall paneling. It's built-in and has the wall paneling going up the toekick. I think it would be very difficult to break the whole thing loose and try to raise it up, but, since we plan to replace the sink and change or replace the countertop we have a few options.
1. Remove sink, detach countertop, sand it, clean it, & put new formica on top, add some wood on the top of the vanity to raise the countertop up more, putty the seams, & put countertop back on, put in new sink.
2. Same as above but instead of doing formica on top, do a countertop paint & seal it.
3. Remove sink, detach countertop, & replace with prefab 6' countertop if we can find one in the right depth & color, add some wood to raise up countertop, putty the seams, & put new countertop on.
4. Remove sink, detach countertop, & make new custom countertop out of wood & put formica over it, add wood to vanity to raise countertop, putty, & paint.
5 Same as above but custom order countertop with built-in sink or get separate drop in sink (most expensive option)

1 would be the easiest but would require getting a sink of the same dimensions.
4 would be my next choice if we can't find the same size & shape sink since it's unlikely to find a prefab countertop in that depth.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

(I did think about trying to refinish the sink but it would take days & knowing my luck I'd screw it up)

Also, I looked at 6' vanities & they were expensive as hell.
 

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The standard bath vanity is 34" high without the top. The standard kitchen counter is 35" without the top.
I prefer the "pot filler" faucet sets because they allow me to wash my hands without having to climb under the low faucets. That might be all she needs.
 

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Mom's vanity was built particularly short. I don't know if the builders were short or if it was for their kids, but it's only 30-3/4" high (with the countertop). We could bring it up another 6" to make it more comfortable for her. I need to remember to measure the sink next time.
 

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I measured the distance from the top of the vanity to the power outlet near the sink (it's not GFCI so it will need to be replaced). It's a little over 6" above, so if I raise the countertop it will not have much clearance. However, I should have enough wiggle room to move the outlet upward and change it to a GFCI outlet. I could maybe add a power switch for vanity light and a vanity light (if Mom approves).

She forgot to order the 36" grab bar I linked to her & it went up $10 in price. I found an open box 48" one for less than the 36" was before the price hike. She ordered that one. So instead of the R8736D3GCH, she's getting the R8748D3GCH. That will give her a much longer bar along the back wall.

I measured her girth while she was sitting & she's about 23" wide (with the way the flesh gets pushed) so she will need a shower seat wider than that. Something with adjustable legs and suction cups to keep it from tipping. She only weighs about 230lbs now but she's kept the fat on her hips/backside.

My revised picture of stuff for her shower (including a shower drain that I found from Frodo's postings-- I *think* it's the one he mentioned, perhaps he mentioned a different brand though).
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Lowes reinstated the military discount for online purchases so I ordered Mom's shower to be shipped to store. Good thing I'm not in a rush because that store tends to misplace items frequently. I once spent 3 hours while they tried to find an item they told me had arrived for me. Took 2 weeks for them to find it. While I was waiting, another lady was there for her shower door that had been misplaced 3 weeks before. Employees couldn't find it but her brother-in-law found it while wandering the aisles-- just sitting out in the open with her name & address on it.
I forgot to order the drain, but the shower isn't coming until mid July.
It's the Sterling Ensemble shower kit. I got it without the "age-in-place backers"-- which is low grade OSB or plywood glued to the backs of the walls. They charge $300 more for that. I will make my own backers, add braces in the walls, & make sure the wall is sturdy. I will also put low expansion spray foam inside the backs of the shelves for extra support (and noise reduction). I just hope it all arrives undamaged.
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I think that is the same shower kit I bought. I like it. I had my nephew come over and do the install. It went together easy peasy. Lets us know when you get it in.
 

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Thanks, Peanut. Did you do a mortar bed under the shower base or just a roofing felt or landscaping material? Lowes sent me a message that the shower delivery has been delayed. I think either the 15th of this month or next month. I'll have to check the e-mail again.
 

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I did the mortar bed, but it's not really mortar. It was a 5 gallon bucket of "Stuff" lolol. Anyway, it gives more support in case you have to use a shower chair etc, less chance of cracking the shower pan.
 

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"Stuff"? I'm not familiar with that. Where do you find it & is it easy to pour in? She plans to use a shower chair so we want the extra support.
 

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"Stuff"? I'm not familiar with that.
I don't know what the stuff was... Something my nephew (who did the job) brought. If I remember correctly he had to mix it up.

We have a master plumber in our group, @Frodo if I remember correctly. Maybe he knows.
 

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If the sub floor is wood, then you lay down tar paper and on top of the tar paper you dump out 2 -5 gallon bucks of runny concrete/or mortar

you set the shower pan on top of the bed of crete and push/wiggle it down and install level
using a 24'' level at the side and front rails.

after the concrete has set. install the wall panels AND insulation behind the panels
the more insuation you use the less noise you will hear later when someone is taking a shower
 

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Thanks, Frodo. I'll have to grab some fresh mortar when the stuff arrives. One of my pet peeves with the mortar/concrete bags is that they allow moisture in and sometimes the stuff is ruined before you buy it so you have to check. Local hardware store keeps their mortar outdoors under a tarp but there's very high humidity.
 

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Shower kit arrived & is in the workshop. Appears undamaged. It came with the felt mat to put under the shower base. I'm planning out the plumbing layout to see what is the most efficient way to do the vents & drains. Things will be connecting at different heights for the drains so I don't think I can use sanitary cross or side inlet tees. I will likely be using a sanitary cross for the vents though.
I need to measure the depth of the back wall & side walls to see how thick of a backer I need to stick on the wall set for the grab bars (the backers will fill the void between the walls & the support boards between the studs. I'm thinking of using backers over every place that will have a hole & sealing the wood up to be waterproof just to add extra reinforcement to the walls where they get drilled. The around-the-hole backers won't need to be thick enough to reach the studs, just thick enough to add a little reinforcement.
Still need to get some sturdy 1x4s to use to lift the counter up a bit. Laminate sample hasn't come in yet for the laminate sheet I'm thinking of getting to re-cover the counter.
I'm considering trying to paint the countertop & then seal it/epoxy over it. I can do a test of the paint pattern on some scrap wood or something. I will have to sand the countertop & clean it regardless of whether it's getting painted or re-covered. I want to get a blue marbled look (similar to the current green marbled look). I can experiment with different small paint types. I might use a splash of the stuff we are using on the back door & then mix it with something slightly darker to add more color variation. I'll watch some tutorials & see how it works out. If it ends up terrible, I can sand it off & try again or recover it with laminate.
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Something like those but with a brighter blue.
 

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