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I have noticed over the past few weeks that there seems to be a push of plant based protein products at the stores. Now maybe you all don't see this because you don't live in Komifornia but I live in the sticks where most of the state's crops are grown and the livestock is raised. I have been trying to fill gaps in our 3 month preps and the price of meat has me worried. Normally this time of year the prices are a bit cheaper as ranchers and farmers cull herds before winter. I have noticed the prices go up and the meat departments at the stores are slowly being filled with plant/soy based proteins. Is there some shortage of meat like when there was a bird flu that caused egg shortages a few years back? Is the (socialist/democrat) government making some kind of push to convert everyone to soy to weaken our men? (Soy is plant estrogen)

What am I not seeing or am I really just a closeted conspiracy nut?
 
I have noticed over the past few weeks that there seems to be a push of plant based protein products at the stores. Now maybe you all don't see this because you don't live in Komifornia but I live in the sticks where most of the state's crops are grown and the livestock is raised. I have been trying to fill gaps in our 3 month preps and the price of meat has me worried. Normally this time of year the prices are a bit cheaper as ranchers and farmers cull herds before winter. I have noticed the prices go up and the meat departments at the stores are slowly being filled with plant/soy based proteins. Is there some shortage of meat like when there was a bird flu that caused egg shortages a few years back? Is the (socialist/democrat) government making some kind of push to convert everyone to soy to weaken our men? (Soy is plant estrogen)

What am I not seeing or am I really just a closeted conspiracy nut?
Guess which group has land and can for a great part fend for themselves? They already have corn and soy farmers under their control via subsidized farming. Also, grains are easily stored etc. (kernels of gold.) Meat products on the other hand are not so easily stored - just like at home. They have been pushing a vegetarian diet as healthy for a solid decade (more?). Like masks, nothing to do with health but lots to do with control and the mighty $$$. Much of my family has been in meat and dairy for generations- from laws for selling milk to controlling the beef market, it's corrupt.
 
I have noticed over the past few weeks that there seems to be a push of plant based protein products at the stores. Now maybe you all don't see this because you don't live in Komifornia but I live in the sticks where most of the state's crops are grown and the livestock is raised. I have been trying to fill gaps in our 3 month preps and the price of meat has me worried. Normally this time of year the prices are a bit cheaper as ranchers and farmers cull herds before winter. I have noticed the prices go up and the meat departments at the stores are slowly being filled with plant/soy based proteins. Is there some shortage of meat like when there was a bird flu that caused egg shortages a few years back? Is the (socialist/democrat) government making some kind of push to convert everyone to soy to weaken our men? (Soy is plant estrogen)

What am I not seeing or am I really just a closeted conspiracy nut?

Noticed it too so we bought up canned meats and fish, corned beef,salmon,and tuna mainly. Some Veianna Sausages for fun snacks. Bought some meat for freezer but it was very over price.
 
We haven't eaten meat in almost three years (haven't eaten eggs, milk, cheese, or dairy either). We follow a whole food, plant-based lifestyle. Why? you may ask. We did it for our health. I have lost 80 pounds and have been taken off of five prescribed medications (blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, and cholesterol). I am 67 years old and medication free. We walk 3 miles on five days per week and I have more energy than I have in a long time.

All I can say about those "fake" meats is watch out. Many of them are full of sodium and oil. They are probably worse for your health than animal meat.
 
We haven't eaten meat in almost three years (haven't eaten eggs, milk, cheese, or dairy either). We follow a whole food, plant-based lifestyle. Why? you may ask. We did it for our health. I have lost 80 pounds and have been taken off of five prescribed medications (blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, and cholesterol). I am 67 years old and medication free. We walk 3 miles on five days per week and I have more energy than I have in a long time.

All I can say about those "fake" meats is watch out. Many of them are full of sodium and oil. They are probably worse for your health than animal meat.

Well I will say meatis sure not what it use to be, it doesn't taste the same or look the same. No telling what we eat now.
At same time we can't grow our own food anymore liek we use to. But the exercise is sure a great idea.
 
I see fake meat in the freezer case here at Costco, called Beyond Meat. It is in the frozen foods meats section. I have to think twice whenever I see it. You can get a fake meat burger at Burger King as well. Evidently there is fake meat at Walmart, Target, and probably most grocery stores in America. You might have seen it and didn't even realize it was not real meat. There is a whole bunch of it out there.

https://urbantastebud.com/fake-meat-brands/
There is a thread on our local Nextdoor Neighbor for soup recipes. One was for chicken soup with no chicken. I really wanted to be a troll and say, why say chicken when there is none?
 
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I have noticed over the past few weeks that there seems to be a push of plant based protein products at the stores.
...Is the (socialist/democrat) government making some kind of push to convert everyone to soy to weaken our men? (Soy is plant estrogen)

What am I not seeing or am I really just a closeted conspiracy nut?
Two words:
Soylent Green.
Wikipedia said:
Soylent Industries, which derives its name from a combination of "soy" and "lentil", controls the food supply of half of the world and sells the artificially produced wafers, including "Soylent Red" and "Soylent Yellow". Their latest product is the far more flavorful and nutritious "Soylent Green", advertised as being made from ocean plankton, but is in short supply. As a result of the weekly supply bottlenecks, the hungry masses regularly riot, and they are brutally removed from the streets by means of police vehicles that scoop the rioters with large shovels and dump them within the vehicle's container.
Great movie to watch and amazing how closely they predicted the future way back in 1973.
BTW, the movie is based far in the future... in the year 2022 :oops:.
 
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We haven't eaten meat in almost three years (haven't eaten eggs, milk, cheese, or dairy either). We follow a whole food, plant-based lifestyle. Why? you may ask. We did it for our health. I have lost 80 pounds and have been taken off of five prescribed medications (blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes, and cholesterol). I am 67 years old and medication free. We walk 3 miles on five days per week and I have more energy than I have in a long time.

All I can say about those "fake" meats is watch out. Many of them are full of sodium and oil. They are probably worse for your health than animal meat.
I did the opposite and went full on carnivore. Weight down, bp down, diabetes down. From 8 meds down to 1 now. Working on weaning off that one too. Doc will be pissed... lol
 
I did the opposite and went full on carnivore. Weight down, bp down, diabetes down. From 8 meds down to 1 now. Working on weaning off that one too. Doc will be pissed... lol
You are right, simply losing weight - no matter how you do it - can reduce and reverse many medical issues. But, can a can a person stay on a 100% carnivore diet for the rest of their life and still remain healthy? We will stay with our WFPB lifestyle for the rest of our lives. There are too many vitamins, minerals, fiber, antioxidants, anit-cancer agents, and phytonutrients that someone who eats 100% carnivore will miss out on if they stay with if the rest of their lives.
 
You are right, simply losing weight - no matter how you do it - can reduce and reverse many medical issues. But, can a can a person stay on a 100% carnivore diet for the rest of their life and still remain healthy? We will stay with our WFPB lifestyle for the rest of our lives. There are too many vitamins, minerals, fiber, antioxidants, anit-cancer agents, and phytonutrients that someone who eats 100% carnivore will miss out on if they stay with if the rest of their lives.
That is a myth. Know several that have been 10 years plus. Eating liver and fish gives you all you need. Until westerners discovered the Inuit people they ate a mainly fat and meat diet. Whales, seals etc.

I think it more depends on where your ancestors are from. In the tropics they are more tolerant of fruits etc.

To each their own though. I generally eat one meal a day and feel great. Besides, if the lord wanted me to eat grass he would have given me hooves... lol
 
That is a myth. Know several that have been 10 years plus. Eating liver and fish gives you all you need. Until westerners discovered the Inuit people they ate a mainly fat and meat diet. Whales, seals etc.

I think it more depends on where your ancestors are from. In the tropics they are more tolerant of fruits etc.

To each their own though. I generally eat one meal a day and feel great. Besides, if the lord wanted me to eat grass he would have given me hooves... lol
I'll try not to be offended by your "eating grass" comment. :)

I have many friends who are Inuit. I lived with the Inuit during a time in my life when I was younger. The early Inuit (hunting diet) died young, perhaps reaching the age of 40 to 50 on average. The primary reason for their deaths was "hardening of the arteries" (atherosclerosis). For the past few decades, the Inuit population has been introduced to the Standard American DIet (SAD). I have never seen so much obesity and medical problems in other populations as I see in theirs. Even the children are morbidly obese.
 
That is a myth. Know several that have been 10 years plus. Eating liver and fish gives you all you need. Until westerners discovered the Inuit people they ate a mainly fat and meat diet. Whales, seals etc.

I think it more depends on where your ancestors are from. In the tropics they are more tolerant of fruits etc.

To each their own though. I generally eat one meal a day and feel great. Besides, if the lord wanted me to eat grass he would have given me hooves... lol

My ancestors are from the middle east. Very few fruits and veggies there. Lots of fatty meat. Camel burger, anyone?
 
My ancestors are from the middle east. Very few fruits and veggies there. Lots of fatty meat. Camel burger, anyone?
Do they eat camel? Aren't people from the Middle East more inclined to eat lamb? The restaurants that serve Middle Eastern food often cook a leg of lamb on a vertical spit and slice off some for a gyro sandwich.
 
My ancestors are from the middle east. Very few fruits and veggies there. Lots of fatty meat. Camel burger, anyone?
@Cabin Fever is going to pass. @Cnsper wants his with 2 patties and extra cheese :p.
For me, as many different animals as I have eaten, I'm pretty sure it isn't too bad if cooked right.
On topic: You make a good point, most people never think about what the millions of people living in desert areas have to eat.
You're not growing many veggies in the sand, 140° temps, and no water out there:rolleyes:.
Yet they survive to a ripe old age. Goat comes to mind.

I want my camel-burger medium-rare
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You are right, simply losing weight - no matter how you do it - can reduce and reverse many medical issues. But, can a can a person stay on a 100% carnivore diet for the rest of their life and still remain healthy? We will stay with our WFPB lifestyle for the rest of our lives. There are too many vitamins, minerals, fiber, antioxidants, anit-cancer agents, and phytonutrients that someone who eats 100% carnivore will miss out on if they stay with if the rest of their lives.
It is not so much the vegetables you need to avoid as the carbs. You need fat and protein. Vegetables give you vitamins that are beneficial but a selection of fats and proteins can cover much of those. Not much time with the Inuit but plenty of years with the Yupik, and their diet is heavily based on fats and proteins. I went to a 100 year birthday party for one. They don't know when he was born so they celebrate his baptism. As he remembers being baptised he was probably 110.
 
Do they eat camel? Aren't people from the Middle East more inclined to eat lamb? The restaurants that serve Middle Eastern food often cook a leg of lamb on a vertical spit and slice off some for a gyro sandwich.

Lamb and goat. Camels are pack animals but they do eat it if they had to.
 
Lamb and goat. Camels are pack animals but they do eat it if they had to.
You can guarantee that they do not throw them away.
People starve out in deserts. No Costco out there. :oops:
 
You can guarantee that they do not throw them away.
People starve out in deserts. No Costco out there. :oops:

I grew up hearing about my grandfather's childhood living with his aunt after his mom died. He was sent back to the 'old country' with his brothers. He was born here in the states with his brothers. He slept in the large family type room of the house on the floor in a pile of straw/hay with a male goat. Every morning he had to open the door to let the goat out when the herder came by with the flock to take them out to the fields (valleys where little grasses grew). One evening at the family meal they were eating what they were told was lamb but turned out to be that male goat he slept next to on the floor. I am named after that aunt (Actually I am named after an actress but as far as the older family members are concerned I am named after my grandfather's aunt. ;P ).
 
I have a recipe somewhere for stuffed camel. You stuff it with a lamb and certain number of chickens (or whatever bird) and a bunch of other stuff.
@Cabin Fever A) I don’t know you, mean no offense, have family who are vegetarian and love them dearly. B) what happens when you become diabetic?
And likewise to @Caribou what happens when game runs out?
There are no diseases that prevent the consumption of meat AND veggies which comprises a healthy diet. There are conditions/diseases that prevent the consumption of sugar, shell fish, and beans. There may be more but off the top of my head those are 3 biggies.
That said, I’ve never gathered all the ingredients to try that camel recipe. 🐪
 
I guess I'm not a true survivalist (I have less than ten firearms, which pretty well eliminates that LOL!); but if I were preparing for a real, honest-to-the-Goddess SHTF scenario, I'd be much more inclined to switch from my meat-three-times-a-week-with-an-occasional-splurge diet to a vegetarian diet because it makes more sense.

First
, if you have limited crop-land, you'd get a lot more people-food from a 4000-square foot garden than you would from an acre of grassland for a steer to butcher. Most mammals (except for the tiny carnivorous thingies like shrews) turn a lot of plants into not so much meat. If you want a thousand pounds of steer, he's gonna cost you a ten thousand pounds of hay , grain, or any other forage by the time he's done. Obviously, you're not going to eat timothy or orchard grass or even alfalfa, but that same land that can grow a thousand pounds of alfalfa will grow a thousand pounds of potatoes, beans, onions, corn, other root veggies like rutabagas, beets, etc. as well as leafy veggies and different kinds of peppers.

And I haven't even mentioned the amount of water your steer needs compared to that row of taters and onions!

Second, there's a lot of work -- physical exertion -- involved in raising a hereford steer or a boer goat and butchering it. You have to deliver their grain and water, ensure their health with medications, make sure you have a big and strong fence for the pasture, etc. If you're living on the edge, as in a SHTF scenario, you'll need calories and lots of them. The harder you have to work to get those calories, the more you'll need. Veggies are simply more bang for the (caloric) buck.

That's one of the reasons why we sold our goat herd and limited our home-grown animals to chickens. And we don't (after a couple of times) raise meat chickens any more: expensive feed, careful watching to see that they don't eat themselves to death, butchering and plucking, scalding and cleaning, and you have a dressed broiler and/or fryer at about 3 lb. Collecting eggs and swapping them to neighbors and others and storing the rest in a water-glass solution is just easier.

I like meat a lot, and Dawn and I like to cook a lot. One of my favorites is to take a 3-4 lb pot roast out of the freezer in the afternoon, then pop it in the crock-pot overnight, getting up early to add the onions taters, carrots, rutabagas, etc. and tear that bad boy up for dinner. Even Leila-the-dog gets a bone and some gravy for her dog-food bowl!!

We cook with meat, but we also do a lot with tofu and lots of grains. We've both had plant-based meats -- some of the good, some bad -- and even a pseudo-burger from Burger King. Not bad at all, once you doctor it up.

We in America and the West have been raised so that we expect and get meat, but it's really just a luxury. And it's getting worse, with more people, less arable land, given desertification on the Southwest and the diminishing aquifers in the Midwest, with some of the most productive land found in a state (which will be un-named) that's burning itself to death. This is what the strategic-planning exercises call an untenable end-game.

The bottom line is that even in the USA, and even without a SHTF scenario, we as a people are slowly converting to plant-based food. I'm not saying the gubbmint's gonna ration your meat; they'll let the market cover it. But your (or your kids' or grandkids') choice in a couple of decades will be to buy less meat for more money, raise your own pigs, or transition to a semi-vegetarian diet. I'm not thrilled with that future, but that's the way it's going to be within 30-50 years.


Bon appetit!
 
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I don't like being told what I can and can't eat. My family line does eat a good amount of meat and dairy. Tons of soybean is grown where I live, but I try to avoid eating it. Our youngest daughter is a vegetarian, but will eat fish. When she first announced this, I'd buy some of the fake meat products for her at a health food store and make it for her for Sunday dinner when she came over. Quickly found out that they were pricey and tasted bleech. And had a very long list of ingredients. I would just make what I normally would, but she would have a separate dish with out the meat. So she would have cheese enchiladas, and we would have chicken and cheese enchiladas. If she was over, I would substitute cream of chicken for cream of mushroom. Also substitute meat broths with vegetable broth. Everybody in the family eats the Shepherd's Pie I make for her...so I make it for everyone. It has mushrooms instead of the meat.
Hey Duncan, we don't have to transition to a semi veg diet if you raise, butcher, and preserve your own meat. It's worth the time and trouble if that's what you want to eat. Around here, if there's a lot of chickens to do, or a few pigs, people help each other get it done.
 
Cows/goats don't need grain. They do just fine grazing. They can also eat the garden produce you don't eat. Sweet potato vines, corn stalks, bean vines and such. Steers don't need to be 1,000lbs to be butchered. I actually prefer the 700lb range.
 

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