Pres. Trump: we can give sanctuary cities ‘an unlimited supply’ of migrants

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    https://www.oann.com/pres-trump-we-can-give-sanctuary-cities-an-unlimited-supply-of-migrants/

    Pres. Trump: we can give sanctuary cities ‘an unlimited supply’ of migrants



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    UPDATED 3:05 PM PT – Fri. April 12, 2019

    President Trump doubles down on the proposed measure to drop off detained migrants in sanctuary cities.

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    President Donald Trump gestures as he speaks about the deployment of 5G technology in the United States during an event in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, Friday, April 12, 2019, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

    On Friday at the White House, the president responded directly to reports the administration and Homeland Security were considering dumping illegal immigrants in Democrat districts, in retaliation for opposing the border wall.

    He said “we’ll bring them to sanctuary cities so they can take care of it, if that’s the way they want it.”

    This comes, after the president tweeted saying “due to the fact that democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities only.”

    He added since the “radical left always seems to have an open borders, open arms policy,” the move “should make them very happy!”

    ….The Radical Left always seems to have an Open Borders, Open Arms policy – so this should make them very happy!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2019
     
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    I'm all for this. If the federal government is forced to release these illegals into our country then they should be dumped right into the heart of these sanctuary cities.
     
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    What's to keep them there? While it's funny and I'd love to see the dems faces it's better to put them back across the border. Preferably thrown over a freshly built wall. If he does do it this should be the last time we hear him speak of it because he should just get on with doing it.
     
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    just sounds like bull to me..nothing to keep them in the cities, they will just migrate out to where they can get jobs on farms and ag areas..
    kinda manipulative I think...as if this is a we will show you move but in reality, its what happens already. the cities give them what they need in free American taxpayer bennies to move on within out country ..
    fail...
     
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    It's funny, but won't happen.
     
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    Probably, but the funny thing is, with president Trump, you never know. He does enough of his threats that you can't just ignore him. The man can read a room.
     
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    Looks like it was made illegal to do because Pelosi does not want them in her upscale neighborhood in San Francisco.

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...house-plan-drop-migrants-democrats-districts/

    Washington Post: DHS Blocks White House Plan to Bus Migrants into Democrats’ Districts
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    Officials at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) blocked a White House proposal to spotlight Central American migration by busing the migrants into Democrats’ “sanctuary city” neighborhoods, according to the Washington Post.

    DHS staffers leaked the hardball proposal to Democrat legislators, the newspaper reported:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s district in San Francisco was among those the White House wanted to target, according to DHS officials. The administration also considered releasing detainees in other Democratic strongholds.

    White House officials first broached the plan in a Nov. 16 email, asking officials at several agencies whether members of the caravan could be arrested at the border and then bused “to small- and mid-sized sanctuary cities,” places where local authorities have refused to hand over illegal immigrants for deportation.

    The White House told U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement that the plan was intended to alleviate a shortage of detention space but also served to send a message to Democrats. The attempt at political retribution raised alarm within ICE, with a top official responding that it was rife with budgetary and liability concerns, and noting that “there are PR risks as well.”

    In response, Democrats inserted language into the 2019 budget designed to make the tactic difficult. The language grants $114 million for busing migrants in 2019, but only for delivering migrants into shelters capable of accepting the migrants:

    Within the $114,147,000 increase above the fiscal year 2018 funding level for the Transportation and Removal Program, ICE is directed to provide for the transportation of migrants to such shelters based on where collaborating organizations have open sheltering capacity, including during surge periods.

    President Donald Trump recently promised to take a tougher approach when he fired DHS chief Kirstjen Nielsen so the potentially powerful tactic may be deployed.

    If so, the tactic would dramatically show the Democrats’ willingness to allow hundreds of thousands of poor migrants to flood into blue-collar Americans’ workplaces, neighborhoods, and schools — while also excluding the low-status migrants from upscale, status-conscious, Democrat-run districts such as San Francisco.

    The plan would also spotlight the Democrats’ policy of protecting businesses by hiding migrants and even criminal migrants from repatriation by the DHS.

    Democrats and progressive advocates are declaring themselves outraged at the hardball tactic:

    Appalling: The White House tried using migrant families and children as pawns in a bizarre revenge plot against CA communities. The Trump Admin should stop these games, and instead join us to fix our broken immigration system and ensure just & decent treatment for every migrant. https://t.co/y6JGml2b0A

    — Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (@RepRoybalAllard) April 12, 2019

    “When are Democrats going to try to summon Stephen Miller to Capitol Hill and grill him under oath about his direct role in so much of the chaos, incompetence and increasingly malevolent extremism gripping the Trump administration right now?” asked Washington Post columnist Greg Sargent. He continued:

    You’ll be shocked to hear that Miller was apparently involved in this affair. The Post reports that Miller “discussed the proposal with ICE.” As one congressional investigator who spoke to a whistle-blower revealing the scheme notes: “It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out.”

    The problem with this ugly scheme, obviously, is the use of migrants and the wielding of their fates as political tools — the idea that they can just be dumped anywhere for the express purpose of pressuring public officials from the opposing party to do Trump’s bidding. The presumption that this would pressure them is itself deeply problematic. Then there’s the proposed use of public resources for this purpose, which is arguably corrupt and legally dubious.

    A New York Times columnist declared it would be “horrible” to deliver migrants into Democrats’ cities:

    These people are HORRIBLE… https://t.co/lWedMtvnv6

    — Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) April 12, 2019

    New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman described the story as “insane,” even though New York’s economy runs on a huge population of perhaps 500,000 low-wage migrant service-workers.

    Currently, migrants are bussed from border stations to bus stations in low-rent neighborhoods far from the upscale Democrat districts. The migrants then quietly distribute themselves among blue-collar neighborhoods around the United States. In March, for example, the Arizona Republic reported:

    Immigration officials dropped off about 50 more undocumented migrants, mostly from Central America, Friday morning at a Greyhound bus station near Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport, where they were left to fend for themselves as overwhelmed volunteers sought help for them.

    The group was the latest in a series of migrant drop-offs that began late last year and has been continuing on and off ever since. Local church volunteers have been working to accommodate them, but their resources have become increasingly strained.

    Many of the migrants arriving Friday had been in the United States less than 24 hours. Some had waited at a port of entry at the Arizona-Mexico border for about two months to make their case for asylum.

    Each year, roughly four million young Americans join the workforce after graduating from high school or university.

    But the federal government then imports about 1.1 million legal immigrants, refreshes a resident population of roughly 1.5 million white-collar guest workers, in addition to approximately 500,000 blue-collar visa workers, and also tolerates about eight million illegal workers and the inflow of hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants.

    This federal policy of flooding the market with cheap white-collar graduates and blue-collar foreign labor is intended to boost economic growth for investors.

    This policy works by shifting enormous wealth from young employees towards older investors, even as it also widens wealth gaps, reduces high-tech investment, increases state and local tax burdens, hurts children’s schools and college education, pushes Americans away from high-tech careers, and sidelines millions of marginalized Americans, including many who are now struggling with fentanyl addictions
     
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    I don't really think he was serious. I think he just wanted to make the Dems look like the hypocrites that they are. Pelosi is all for welcoming and love for all people (as her district smells of poop in the streets)....but when the rubber meets the road, she says "Oh NO!......that's not fair" LOL! This president has no problem pointing out their idiotic stances. I love how he makes them put up or shut up.......yet, they still whine.:rolleyes: I do think our president loves trolling the lefties. They've never had to defend themselves in public because nobody has called them out before and made them try to make sense of their own moronic policies. It IS kinda fun to watch.:cool:
     
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    My very first thought, it is just a trick to get them unloaded into the whole nation.
    Trumps insiders have taken over the place,imo.

    I don't think Trump is is in his right mind anymore. And people are taking advantage of him.
     
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    Not only that but today news says Trump is sending 5000 to 7000 more military troops to help with care for the 'migrants' at the borders.
    Already have some there.
     
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    When I see people posting about closing the border and other ways to block immigration, I so want to ask how many they are willing to take home with them.

    I heard that in the last month there have been more people trying to cross the border than in the last 10 years. I have no idea of the source of that information, nor the accuracy.
     
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    Church Board meeting. Church had no budget and was operating in the red. One particular Board Member had no problems making motions to spend a large sums of money for "Feel good" projects. Treasurer would ask, "How are we going to pay for this?" The Board Member making the motions would respond, "We will just have to trust God." Majority of the remaining Board Members didn't want to "offend" so they would vote in favor.

    About the umpteenth time of "We will just have to trust God" the Treasurer had had enough. Treasurer had just reported that they had enough funds on hand to either make payroll OR pay the over due utility bill. The Board Member ignore the Treasurer's report and wanted to help a family (family had been helped numerous times before) by getting the family's mortgage paid up to date and their utility bills. The family consisted of a working mother, "unable" to work father, three of their nonworking, non-rent paying married adult children and grandchildren.

    The Treasure looked the Board Member straight in the eye and told him then why didn't the Board Member use his own personal money to help the family and "Trust God" to reimburse him? Board Member looked like he was going to have a apoplectic fit. The rest of the Board Members were immediately busy studying their hands or the papers in front of them. After a long uncomfortable silence, the Board Chairman (Senior Pastor) decided to move on to the next agenda item.

    IMHO most folks have no problem spending other peoples money for feel good stuff.


    Today the same church has a balanced budget, has paid off all outstanding obligations and is debt free. :)
     
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    Yes, this.

    I think it is great that we finally have a President who will call them like he sees them, like we all see it as. They are all for letting everyone in, great, here ya go. They do not want them detained until vetted? Great, here ya go. The Feds are not taking good enough care of them? Great, here ya go.

    He really is bringing to light exactly what they stand for. Hopefully waking people up. All except those that still believe “the media is the truth!” are waking up.

    The illegals are a real issue with no real solution in the immediate future. President Trump is bringing that reality into the public arena.
     
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    I think this is why so many lefties really do not like him. He says it like he sees it.
     
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    I saw this on facebook. 57226379_1592694450864586_1118333523086802944_n.png.jpg
     
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    Our gas prices have increased $.75 cents a gallon in just this last month, and now paying $4.50 a gallon. Yeah, let's now feed, clothe, house and medicate the rest of the world. These damn politicians are killing the United States!
     
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    I've read comments that say this whole thing is just to shift the discussion before the election from deportation and securing the border to where to move all of these illegals within our nation. I really do not think that president Trump wants to stop illegal immigration or he would order the military to run miles and miles of barbed wire everywhere along our border and order the military to hold it just like a war zone which could be accomplished within a few months time. The hotspots could be secured within a couple of weeks. Keep in mind that Donald Trump has utilized illegal immigrants in his businesses for years. Hungary has secured their border exactly in this way to stop illegal immigration and secure their "Christian nation" from Muslim invasion.
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-migrants-to-stay-away-idUSKCN0RL1K220150922

    Hungary beefs up border with army, warns migrants to stay away
    Marton Dunai
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    BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungary’s parliament authorized the government on Monday to deploy the army to help handle a wave of migrants, granting the military the right to use non-lethal force.

    It passed a law saying the army could use rubber bullets, pyrotechnical devices, tear gas grenades or net guns, according to the text posted on parliament’s website.

    Hungary, a landlocked nation of 10 million, lies in the path of the largest migration wave Europe has seen since World War Two and has registered more than 220,000 asylum-seekers this year.

    Prime Minister Viktor Orban told parliament police were unable to secure all Hungary’s frontiers - which include outer borders of the EU’s passport-free Schengen zone - without help from the army.

    “We can defend the Serbian stretch of the border,” he said, adding that fortifications on that 175 km (110 mile)-long section were working better than expected.

    Hungary has built a fence on the Serbian border and deployed regular patrols, leading to a drastic drop of migrants crossing it. Instead, thousands have entered Croatia and Zagreb has waved them on to Hungary again.

    Croatia is not a member of Schengen, and the two countries have exchanged bitter words over the handling of the migrants, with Budapest threatening to veto Croatia’s Schengen accession and beginning work to fortify its border with Croatia too.

    “We can defend the Croatian stretch but to do that we need the army to patrol together with the police,” Orban said.

    He added Hungary would act on its own until the EU found common ground on how to handle the flow of migrants.

    “Europe is rich but weak. That is the most dangerous combination possible,” Orban said.

    A migrant carries a child as he makes his way through the border from Hungary towards the Austrain town of Nickelsdorf September 21, 2015. REUTERS/David W Cerny
    “The result ... is catastrophic. Because Europe cannot defend its external borders, internal borders are shut again.

    “We need to rethink many European inventions, institutions and treaties. But until we do we cannot sit idle. Until the EU states act as one, member states will be forced to go out of their way to fend off this brutal threat.”

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    The government took out ads in countries many migrants set out from. In Lebanon, the newspaper An Nahar on Monday carried a full-page warning in English and Arabic.

    “Hungarians are hospitable, but the strongest possible action is taken against those who attempt to enter Hungary illegally,” it said.

    “The illegal crossing of the country’s border is a crime punishable by imprisonment. Do not listen to the people-smugglers. Hungary will not allow illegal immigrants to cross its territory.”

    The radical nationalist Jobbik party, which has advocated even tougher measures, supported Orban’s center-right Fidesz party in the vote, which passed the law with 151 votes to 12 against and 27 abstentions in the 199-member parliament.

    The Helsinki Committee, a rights group in Budapest, said the law was an unnecessary act likely to stir tensions.

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    “Hungary is not at war with refugees,” Helsinki co-chair Marta Padravi told Reuters. “There is no armed conflict, neither at the Hungarian border nor in the country – but the army will have the powers to prevent the escalation of riots.”

    She said there was a danger the army might get involved in confrontations similar to one last week in which police clashed with angry migrants in the southern town of Roszke.

    Croatia’s Interior Minister Ranko Ostojic said on Monday Zagreb would demand that Greece stop moving migrants from the Middle East on to the rest of Europe, at a meeting of EU interior ministers on Tuesday.

    The German government said it had scrapped plans to deny benefits to asylum seekers who arrive in Germany via another EU member state, following resistance from the members of the center-left Social Democrats.
     
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    I seem to remember President Trump having the military deploy many miles of concertina wire along the border and said wire showing up at the Mexican recycling centres. You need to have someone watch every foot of such a barrier 24/7.
     
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    So? Yes put troops on it. Can't expect simple wire alone to do the job. Back it up with some rifles, arrests and actual charges for the crime of entry and publicize it down south like the Hungarians did. Bernie Sanders just gave a town hall with Fox News and actually made some statements that made sense. He said the right wing really wants open borders as it shifts financial gains from the worker to the businesses. He also called for encampments to be built to hold border-crossers and ending catch and release. Now I do not side with Bernie or his socialist ways but some of what he stated here made some sense. He has been against open borders for years. There is a lot more to this illegal immigration thing than we are being told. It is very easy to say one thing and do something different in order to help big business. I really do believe if our leaders and I mean almost all of them on both sides wanted the crossings to stop it would happen in a week or two. Both sides benefit an open border. Big business wins with lower wages and lefties win with votes. Exactly who is it that wants it closed? Just the citizens.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/16/bernie-sanders-calls-border-camps-detain-migrants/
     
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    today the cdc is "monitoring" about 20 Congo migrants on the border in lorado texas for ebola..great..that's just who they caught..
     
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    All the democrats and most of the Republicans speak a good story on the wall and have done so since the 1980's. They don't want the wall and show it by voting for the wall but never allocating any funds. They go home and declare how they voted for the wall. The one who has kept his promise is President Trump. A handful of Republicans have supported him but not enough when it comes time to budget funds. We need to quit reelecting anyone that hasn't voted for funding the wall. We need to keep after our legislators with phone calls and emails. We need to donate only to those that vote for funding the wall. We need to Primary any Republican that didn't support funding.

    The legislature is a slow process and it is designed that way. Too many people are not aware of the voting record for their legislators. President Trump is fighting one heck of a battle but he is doing it mostly by himself.
     
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    just read that Yuma AZ declared a emergency because of all the migrants being released by the border patrol into their community while awaiting assylm. Somethere over a 1000 people just in the last 3 weeks and they are tapped out and asking for federal assistance.
    Why are they being released in the first place? I thought Trump won the courts to send them back after he suggested to the sanctuary cities and states to release them in their back yard..?
    oh and I read that the mayor of LA made a statement admitting that we (lA) cant even take care of the homeless issues ..its getting out of hand and a depressing number of the homeless are vets. No action was promised or offered but an admission that they are experiencing issues...
    better late than never but Im betting they are worried trump will send more migrants there way. I wish he'd just shut the border already especially with all the diseases this migration is bringing..
     
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    Its the ones asking for asylum that are being turned loose. By law they have to be given a court date and we don't have enough holding areas for them. Then there are the "family units" that can only be held for so long who Congress has also said get to see a judge.

    I'm for sending them all back unless they go through the consulate like they should.
     
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    I do not know what the deal is either. All I can figure is President Trump is playing the long game. He is staying within legal bounds, but just barely. He is pushing the limit, and the Democrat buttons. He is using their own tactics, against them.

    Let’ take a look at some things so far.

    President Trump campaigned on the wall. Past politicians have also. They put up a very expensive 6’ tall sheet-metal ‘barrier’ using discarded DOD materials. Not effective at all, never was meant to be. Someone pocketed a lot of money from those contracts and drugs and people still flowed across.

    President Trump asked Congress for money, Congress holds the purse strings. They said NO. Ok, he works around that to use other funds. Congress says NO. He sends some Military there, minimal numbers but this was just to do it, show that he could. Congress screams NO. He shuts the border down. Congress screams NO. He shuts the Govt down, Congress screams NO. Everything the man has tried to secure the border, Congress has screamed NO. All sorts of nefarious activity streams across that border, Congress screams NO.

    They scream when he tries to hold illegals to screen them. They scream when he legally has to separate children from adults in custody. They scream at the conditions, too crowded. Nothing, absolutely nothing the man has done to actually secure the border has passed the scrutiny of Congress, nothing.

    So, what can he do? We know who is behind forming and funding the caravans. President Trump tries to get Mexico to stop them, Congress screams, Mexico gives a half-hearted attempt. Thy LOVE the money they are getting from this all.

    No one can say the man did not give it a good shot. Could he have stopped it, legally? Yes. Could he have legally put an end to the whole thing? Yes. But Congress would have fought tooth and nail if he did. So, he knew they would fight whatever he did, he let them ‘win’. Now, we have an unprecedented actual crisis, exactly what President Trump has been warning them about, but they did not listen. They fought him on everything. Ball is in their court now.

    His last ploy was threatening to send them to Sanctuary cities. What kind of reaction did that get? LOL and yes again… Congress screamed NO.

    So where does she go from here? I have absolutely no idea what is coming next, but neither does Congress. Will the whole mess eventually get resolved? Yes, positively yes. Will it get worse before it gets better? Most likely because it has to. It has to get so out of hand, Congress has no choice but to get involved and start to actually do something about it.

    If anyone has any better thoughts on why all this has continued to go on, I am willing to accept all replies.

    And yes, there is still the possibility President Trump is purposely trying to ruin the country by allowing illegals, drugs and terrorists to flood in without stopping them, as he could put a stop to it with the stroke of a pen. He could put an end to it in one day if he wanted to. But he does not.
     
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    And as far as the illegals that are already here? I think we will eventually see things like E-verify, voter identification and stronger enforcement of hiring illegals as well as deportation. But, we will also see many get amnesty as in the DACA and such. He will not be able to kick all folks who entered illegally but he will do his beast to start cleaning up as best as he can. His base is not going to be happy with how many he will let stay and work towards citizenship, but it has to be done.

    The border will be as secure as he can make it. It is impossible to stop all trafficking across it, but it is possible to make it as difficult as possible.

    At least that is the way this old man figures it.
     
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    Yes it is possible that President Trump does not really want to stop illegal immigration as he does have a history of hiring these people in his businesses. He also is heavily connected to big business which he has been a part of most of his life and his actions have a direct effect on the economy. It is also possible that he is waiting until after the 2020 election to make most of his immigration executive orders which would be political suicide before the 2020 elections as all sitting presidents do. Remember Obama telling the Russian rep to tell Vlad that he will have a lot more freedom to do what he wants after the midterms on a hot mic? I believe once the 2020 elections are over we will all know who the real President Donald Trump is, whoever that may be.
     
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    The Russians will just fix the 2020 elections so that de does win. They want their puppet in the White House ya know.
     
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    Between them and the Dems rigging our election I guess it will be quite the struggle to see who wins. Do you think the GOP will also try to rig the election? Why would one side try and the other not try to counter with their own fix? Then throw in the Russians, The Chinese and Mossad it should be quite the election. Who have I left out? It is a wonder that any US voters have any say at all. Maybe they don't.
     
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