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Neb said:
I should add a plug for Engineer775

He specialises in prepper projects. I learned about developing a spring from his channel and purchased my first spring box etc from him.

He also has enlightened me on

Hydraulic ram pumps
Solar panels
Battery backup
Inverters
Wells and pumps
Canning (as in tin cans)
Water storage
livestock watering

If you have the budget he can handle most prepping needs (we do NOT). But we hav considered contracting him to consult on our water resources. At the very least his channel has a lot of info that can help us do it ourselves.

Ben
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I have watched a number of his videos. I believe he also has a gasifier, where he makes fuel that runs at least one of his vehicles from wood. I also think that he and Southern Prepper 1 are friends. Or were.
 
Weedygarden said:
I have watched a number of his videos. I believe he also has a gasifier, where he makes fuel that runs at least one of his vehicles from wood. I also think that he and Southern Prepper 1 are friends. Or were.
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Yup

He and southern prepper 1 teamed up to develop a spring and then hydraulic ram pump to a storage tank... If memory serves me.

We could have 6-10 springs on The Ridge were planted an orchard and I developed a bunch of huegelcultures. I was partially successful with using a ram pump to fill a small pond at the top to provide irrigation. Partially...

1) I used a dam to collect water for the ram pump. Worked great until the first heavy rain and the dam silted up. Dug it out... 3 weeks later silted in again.

2) Got carried away with pond at the top and cut a hole in the bottom and pvc pipe to gravity feed the garden boxes. Never got a good seal so the pond leaked.

3) Installed a solar powered pump to run a water fall in the pond to keep it aerated. The solar panels blew away in a wind storm (or some kid found them). We did enjoy the waterfall while it lasted.

4) Ground water from the dam is OK for irrigation but needs to be treated to drink. Since then I developed 2 springs so I hope to convert to spring water to feed the ram pump.

We live, we learn.

Ben
 
When I think of a safe room, I think why not call @Neb and buy a couple of shovels ;)

We used to have some friends that had 2 basements, 1 under the other. The first one had the normal entrances, 2 inside near the stairways to the upper floors and one to the outside that had stairs to a set of doors like an old coal shoot. That basement was the full size of the main floor of the house and it was divided into rooms with small rooms like walk in closets around the outside and a main room in the center. Two of the walk-in closets had false walls behind clothes rods that hid stairs going down to the sub-basement, it was basically one room about the size of the main room of the basement above it. I don't remember for sure, but I think that the main basement had a concrete floor poured and there were those wavy metal sheets braced by steel pipes and beams in the sub-basement. It looked to me like they added the second basement after the house had been there a while, it had concrete block walls that had rebar and concrete poured into them. I never figured out if they had a secret exit leading to their garage that was about 30 feet from the house or not. The other thing I remember was that the ceilings for both basements were quite high, about 10 feet. I was only in the sub-basement helping them move out when they were leaving the area; I only had a little time to look around between trips carrying 5 gallon buckets up to the main floor.
 
UrbanHunter said:
When I think of a safe room, I think why not call @Neb and buy a couple of shovels ;)

We used to have some friends that had 2 basements, 1 under the other. The first one had the normal entrances, 2 inside near the stairways to the upper floors and one to the outside that had stairs to a set of doors like an old coal shoot. That basement was the full size of the main floor of the house and it was divided into rooms with small rooms like walk in closets around the outside and a main room in the center. Two of the walk-in closets had false walls behind clothes rods that hid stairs going down to the sub-basement, it was basically one room about the size of the main room of the basement above it. I don't remember for sure, but I think that the main basement had a concrete floor poured and there were those wavy metal sheets braced by steel pipes and beams in the sub-basement. It looked to me like they added the second basement after the house had been there a while, it had concrete block walls that had rebar and concrete poured into them. I never figured out if they had a secret exit leading to their garage that was about 30 feet from the house or not. The other thing I remember was that the ceilings for both basements were quite high, about 10 feet. I was only in the sub-basement helping them move out when they were leaving the area; I only had a little time to look around between trips carrying 5 gallon buckets up to the main floor.
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I wonder how many basements there are that are two levels deep? Very interesting idea. I wonder what the possibility was of this being on the Underground Railroad, or something similar? It certainly couldn't have been in a place where there was a high water table.
 
My idea for a safe room is an entry way mud room. The door to the outside swings into the room as normal but the dorr into the house swings into the mud room. Once in the room the doors can't be kicked open because they open to the inside. Place AR500 panels on the floor, ceiling and walls and make the doors ballistic doors. Once inside the doors are locked and the person who was trying to get in is locked in a bullet proof room until the sheriff gets there.
 
Neb said:
Here is a nice video of a hidden safe room.



The safe room is hidden behind a mirror that slides to the side to reveal the door to the safe room.

I liked the implementation.

Ben
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Interesting idea to put a nice mirror over the entrance. In a situation like that, a typical full length door is not a necessity. One thing about his prepping. His water bottles are sitting directly on the floor. A pallet, or a few boards would keep the bottles from being in contact with the concrete. He could also benefit with a dispenser for those bottles. Maybe he has one somewhere else.
 
randyt said:
If I were to get sick like that in times like that, I would have to hole up until I felt better, It should be a place that would be difficult to find, a few supplies, could be locked down, unseen.
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I'd think crawling into a hidden hole when you're sick may not be the best idea.

But if you want, you could build a family mausoleum in the back yard. Crawl into a crypt. Probably nobody will bother you there. And if you don't get better, well, you're all set.
 
Haertig said:
I'd think crawling into a hidden hole when you're sick may not be the best idea.

But if you want, you could build a family mausoleum in the back yard. Crawl into a crypt. Probably nobody will bother you there. And if you don't get better, well, you're all set.
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Yeah add a little bell with a string down to it. Every morning have them ring it and the morning it stops ringing just collapse the entrance.
Sort of like the old cemetery.😅
 
Neb said:
Regardless of the size it is just a matter of time before fresh air is requured. There is a blower included in the Atlas shelter for that purpose.

Submarines have air processing plants to get rid of the CO2 but they have an atomic power source to run them.

Ben
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Most doomsday bunkers have air vents to the outside. From my understanding these have multiple 90° angles in the pipes to provide some degree of protection from radiation waves. What I don't like about them is, if a bad guy finds the vent, he can introduce something noxious through the vent system, into your safe room. It's all a trade off...
 
Spikedriver said:
Most doomsday bunkers have air vents to the outside. From my understanding these have multiple 90° angles in the pipes to provide some degree of protection from radiation waves. What I don't like about them is, if a bad guy finds the vent, he can introduce something noxious through the vent system, into your safe room. It's all a trade off...
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What alternative do we have to fresh air?

Ben
 
Spikedriver said:
You remember Hogan's Heroes? How their tunnel came out of a hollow tree stump? I always wondered if that could be made to work in real life.

I've also wondered about hiding vents in plain sight. Like in the attic of a house, theres vents under the peak. Who says the vent only has to go to the attic?
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Yes I remember the documentary Hogan's Heroes and that stump.

Here is one that I have not used so...

My house was originally heated with fireplaces. It had 8. Only 2 of the flues are still used. So I have 6 potential air intakes. Bonus points if used for a fallout shelter. The main issue is the radioactive dust on the ground. Air intakes 3 stories off the ground nice.

He11 I might actually do that!

Ben
 
Spikedriver said:
You remember Hogan's Heroes? How their tunnel came out of a hollow tree stump? I always wondered if that could be made to work in real life.

I've also wondered about hiding vents in plain sight. Like in the attic of a house, theres vents under the peak. Who says the vent only has to go to the attic?
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Yes I remember the documentary Hogan's Heroes and that stump.

Here is one that I have not used so...

My house was originally heated with fireplaces. It had 8. Only 2 of the flues are still used. So I have 6 potential air intakes. Bonus points if used for a fallout shelter. The main issue is the radioactive dust on the ground. Air intakes 3 stories off the ground nice.

He11 I might actually do that!

Ben
 
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randyt said:
I hear in the city some folks have safe rooms, more for home invasions than anything. I hear in some parts of teh world there are rape cages si in the case of a home invasion someone is protected from being raped.
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Not sure I'm gonna google "rape cage" to figure this out
 
That was used in Mad Max and another film that I can't name.
 
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