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Pieter Eugene van Rooyen

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This is my first message on this forum, however it is a burning question in my mind that brought me here.
If I look at our current political climate here in South Africa. Also bearing mind what happened a month or so ago, as well ( riots and looting). I have been having this massive urge to buy a property in a deep rural area and go totally off grid.
For a semi novice like myself, will it be advisable or am I going stark raving bonkers about nothing?
 
Welcome! Looking forward to your posts.
Going off grid is a choice and it is doable. You need power sources like solar, wind, and generators. You need a battery bank as well. You need to create as much power as possible and you also need to reduce consumption. There are numerous threads here on the subject.
With what little that I know of your political situation I have to wonder whether it is any safer in a remote area.
 
Pieter,
You ask a very difficult question. It typically takes time to become self supporting on a homestead. If you choose to begin the process while giving up all the comfort and conveniences of being on grid it increases the amount of work you will face.
I cannot give a hard answer but if you have very good health and a strong will you can make it work for you. As for being bonkers, we are all a bit bonkers or we would be following everyone else instead of walking our own road. I wish you the best on your way.

Paul
 
I see little real value in intentionally being 100% "OFF GRID". Many of us straddle the fine line of being slightly on the grid, but mentally and physically (based on actual experience) capable of surviving totally off grid, should that be required for survival.

Now that said, and more directly to the core of your question, the fewer humans around you, the fewer human caused problems you are compelled to deal with. There can be zero doubt (especially considering current conditions in Afghanistan) that "Bug'Out" plans are high risk, unless executed "PRE-MATURELY". And you still need a safe destination.

The FIRST rule of surviving a SHTF event is...........Don't be anywhere near where the SHTF event happens.

Only you can assess your current and probable future danger vs. safety in "Any" location. But being near masses of humans even for a few hours is a elevated risk.

Nothing triggers "preppers" into a raging upset, like having to peek into the question, "Am I safe enough continuing to live in this home in this location".

And welcome to this forum.
 
Going totally off-grid is not an easy thing to do quickly. It's a lot different than running to the boonies to hide out.
If your avatar is a picture of you then I would guess you're not a young man.
People tend to forget that age brings a completely different set of problems.
I have to constantly remind myself that I'm not a youngster anymore.
I overdo things and pay for that later.
Afghanistan proves that you really need to know when to Bugout.
If you go too late you can lose your life.
 
Going totally off-grid is not an easy thing to do quickly. It's a lot different than running to the boonies to hide out.
If your avatar is a picture of you then I would guess you're not a young man.
People tend to forget that age brings a completely different set of problems.
I have to constantly remind myself that I'm not a youngster anymore.
I overdo things and pay for that later.
Afghanistan proves that you really need to know when to Bugout.
If you go too late you can lose your life.
If you don't go because you think it's too late, you probably WILL lose your life. I went off-grid at age 56, started from scratch, still here after almost 20 years.
 
I would question what is achieved by being totally off grid, if doing that you are still near humans....??? The other thing is that to most people "off grid" simply means avoiding connecting to the commercial power grid. To most people being off grid, does not include being 100 plus miles from a road. To me when I think of being off grid, it is off everything related to social systems.

When I lived on the north shore of majestic Lake Clark, I was off all grids, including radio reception grid. This is a video of my neighbor (by Alaska standards) and shows being truly "Off'Grid".

Alone in the Wilderness - Full Movie (bitchute.com)
 
The point is about being independent of fluctuations in services, to a degree that you choose yourself, like how much energy storage, food production, etc. This requires having your own water supply of course.
 
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Welcome! I used to tell white people living in South Africa that I met online to come to the U.S. but the way things are going here now you might not be better off....maybe move to Europe or New Zealand? I don't think off grid is going to help you much. I think maybe just leave if you can.

We are semi off grid. We could be totally off grid, but it's easier to have electric if you can have it. We do have solar but just enough for emergency. Our Amish neighbors are almost all totally off grid. All of us have spring water that needs no power. It just comes off the mountain. But, if large groups of hostile city raiders come here and attack, we are pretty much screwed since we don't have a small army ....you will have the same problem no matter how far you move
 
Welcome to the forum Pieter.

Ex South African here, living in Canada now. Its a difficult one to give advice on. Off the top of my head I can't think of anywhere in SA where you can truly be isolated. Not like the US or Canada where there are places so remote that you need a plane to get there and there isn't another person for 100km. That said the further away from metro areas the better, get away from Durbs or Joburg. Even Bloem etc are way too big and too easy for mass trouble. I would pick a small town like Hazyview for example, live well away from it but close enough for cell reception and hospital if needed. That sort of placement also lets you run for the border if things get truly horrific. Keep in mind rural means farm murders and plan accordingly. The less people who know what is there the better...ie clean your own home etc. Staff are an info and security weak point.

Going off grid in one jump is a challenge but it is doable if your determined. I went from a normal home near Ballito to living in a tent in Canada lol. We went extreme and then started building a cabin etc. Got solar, got satellite internet and so on. It's a massive adjustment and learning curve. But we were determined not to fail, 3 years later we are still building the property into our dream and loving every minute of it.
 
Good Day forum fellows,
I do thank all of you for the messages and thought.
I think my big thing is I have to get away from the big hustle and bustle of "city" life. I also appreciate the fact that the media tend to sensationalize a lot.
I have always had this dream of " doing my own thing", and i feel that now would be the right time to do it.
In answer to many of your questions, i really wish to be totally self sufficient. The land i'm planning to acquire, only needs water and manageable soil.

My next question to the forum is in the context of housing. I did some research and I tend to lean to using 40ft high cube containers for that.
What is your take on containers? Is it a feasible option?

@Weedygarden- I am subscribed and follow a few of them on YouTube. Lumnah Acres, Life Uncontained, Wild Wonderful Off-Grid and Good Simple living)
@dunewalker - I totally agree and I see that as one of my decision points.
@SheepDog - You know, you are touching a very sensitive point and that is still one of my main concerns...how long will it take.
 
Welcome to the forum Pieter.

Ex South African here, living in Canada now. Its a difficult one to give advice on. Off the top of my head I can't think of anywhere in SA where you can truly be isolated. Not like the US or Canada where there are places so remote that you need a plane to get there and there isn't another person for 100km. That said the further away from metro areas the better, get away from Durbs or Joburg. Even Bloem etc are way too big and too easy for mass trouble. I would pick a small town like Hazyview for example, live well away from it but close enough for cell reception and hospital if needed. That sort of placement also lets you run for the border if things get truly horrific. Keep in mind rural means farm murders and plan accordingly. The less people who know what is there the better...ie clean your own home etc. Staff are an info and security weak point.

Going off grid in one jump is a challenge but it is doable if your determined. I went from a normal home near Ballito to living in a tent in Canada lol. We went extreme and then started building a cabin etc. Got solar, got satellite internet and so on. It's a massive adjustment and learning curve. But we were determined not to fail, 3 years later we are still building the property into our dream and loving every minute of it.
HI Rebecca
How did you manage during Winter.
I think the reason why i'm asking is because still a little "Scared" to make this drastic change.
 
To answer your questions I would say let you conscience be your guide. How strongly do you really feel about it? Research it thoroughly, so you know what you are getting into. I guess a question I might ask of others who have done it is what would you do differently, or what were some of the unexpected things that happened along the journey?

Welcome to the forum from Eastern Missouri; right in the middle of the USA. Good to have you with us, and I hope you find what you are looking for.
 
Welcome from Alaska!
 
HI Rebecca
How did you manage during Winter.
I think the reason why i'm asking is because still a little "Scared" to make this drastic change.

Note to all as I noticed when I'm typing because I am talking to a South African I am getting my SA and American names for things confused so if it looks weird I forgot to translate lol. Eg gas in SA is propane and used to cook on. Gas in America is petrol and you stick that in your car.

I think if my answer has any value it will depend on if your immigrating to a colder country or staying in SA. Also keep in mind most people who move to Canada buy or rent a proper house, it has central heating, electricity and all the bells and whistles, and winter is fun from the start. I totally do not recommend our way to anybody unless they are beyond super determined.
Look in total honestly the first winter sucked. But at the same time winter in Canada is a lot more brutal than winter in the NorthWest. I know places in SA get below 0C, some as low as -6 or -8C. So cold is still a factor but at the same time it's not -25 or -40. We are not rich in fact we were scraping the bottom that first winter so while I had adequate shelter the cabin was still un insulated, my husband got a job that requires him to be away 3 weeks a month so I dealt with most of it alone. I think shear stubbornness got me through that first winter. I also didn't have solar yet so lighting was oil lamps. My only electric device was my cell phone and I charged that in the car..that was another mistake...only being able to afford an old car..out here in rural Canada. The following year we could afford a truck. (bakkie..think double cab Toyota Hilux but bigger..its awesome). Oh but I learned a lot in a hurry!

By the second winter I had insulated every square inch of this place. Installed a better wood burning stove for heat. We had the tools, the clothing, the fuel, the vehicle and most important personal experience because reading and videos are all good until you find yourself hip deep in snow. The second winter was so much better than the first as to be beyond compare. The third was even better, and now sliding rapidly towards the 4th and I am not even concerned about it.

In terms of off grid winters in SA (I will imagine Sutherland as if I recall that's the coldest town in SA? ) you will need some form of insulation in the walls and roof, which is pretty rare or impossible to find there but research alternative insulation like sheep wool. Put in a fireplace or wood stove if you can find one. Get a gas (propane) stove to cook on. Maybe a kerosene heater as back up. The right clothing goes a very long way as I found with this lifestyle, winter or summer, you spend a lot of time outside.

To touch on your container idea, I say if you have researched it thoroughly go for it. Year one we built a little cabin, this year we got 2 containers delivered that I am converting. Thinking of like a game reserve camp set up..one building is the kitchen, one bedroom and bathroom, another for something else. If you have experience building that is great, if not someone you can ask (my Dad would have been the perfect person for me but it was not to be) so I learned through books, youtube and irritating the employees at the hardware store.

My final note at the end if this rambling essay:
Boer maak 'n plan.
If you know what you want, have researched it to death, go for it and let no one tell you otherwise. If I had listened to all the naysayers and negative Nancy's I wouldn't be here.
Oh and your off grid, what other excuse do you need to build the best braai area ever???
 
Hello and welcome from S.W. Oregon. The biggest thing to look for in being away from high population areas is to make sure you have the best water sources available, springs, good well area and perhaps streams. For solar, you need to have a space on the property that has all day sun to be able to get the longest charge time for battery banks. We have a solar backup system I designed to cover two refrigerators, large and small chest freezers, it will do more but we were more concerned about not loosing food. Another thing to consider about property is the area prone to earthquake damage, we live in an area that we seldom experience even small tremors from earthquakes within a few hundred miles from us, the thing we didn't consider was the Cascadia and Juan De Fuca Plates, that if they move we could have earthquakes between 9.2 to 10.2, USGS says that would mess up everything between the coast and I-5 from California to Canada.
 
Good Morrow

Thank you kindly for the replies.

The next thing I need to test the waters with is a dirty subject. The Septic system.
For a family of four ( all big consumers) I'm looking at either using plastic of cement. Still need to decide on the size as well.
Do I select a single chamber or 2 camber system. How big should the leach-field be?. Do I place it sub-surface or do I make use of a mound system. What I am planning to do is to use the water from the leach-field for the lawns I am planning around building which I also still have not decided on 100%. Where's all the specialists;););), this rookie needs some help in his research.
 
Good Morrow

Thank you kindly for the replies.

The next thing I need to test the waters with is a dirty subject. The Septic system.
For a family of four ( all big consumers) I'm looking at either using plastic of cement. Still need to decide on the size as well.
Do I select a single chamber or 2 camber system. How big should the leach-field be?. Do I place it sub-surface or do I make use of a mound system. What I am planning to do is to use the water from the leach-field for the lawns I am planning around building which I also still have not decided on 100%. Where's all the specialists;););), this rookie needs some help in his research.

Two tanks is best.

The leach drain should be 10-15m long - and down wind of the house.

Make it subsurface - a mound would just get in the way.

The soil permeability determines the exact design for your septic system - local people familiar with your site's soil will have local guidelines on what works.
 
Welcome from Alabama. I have a 20ft container here used to store livestock feed. I think they're great, an instant building. I recently met a family who use containers for part time living, again, instant building. They coated the outside with a special sealant, then covered it with earth for insulation and weather proofing. The price per interior sq ft was a good bit cheaper than building a structure from scratch thats just as substantial. Time, a container can be ready to live in with just a few days work, takes much longer to build.

Let us know what you choose.
 
First, welcome to HCL...

Second, if this is what's in your heart to do, then you should do it. But I noticed you mentioned there will be four people living there. Are the other three 100% on board with this plan? If they're not, it's probably not going to end well. It's just too big of a commitment for someone to follow through on if they're not "all in".

I myself don't really recommend going 100% off grid. I like my old school country life mixed with some modern conveniences. If off grid is what you really want, then go for it. Life's too short to have regrets about what you didn't do...
 
First, welcome to HCL...

Second, if this is what's in your heart to do, then you should do it. But I noticed you mentioned there will be four people living there. Are the other three 100% on board with this plan? If they're not, it's probably not going to end well. It's just too big of a commitment for someone to follow through on if they're not "all in".

I myself don't really recommend going 100% off grid. I like my old school country life mixed with some modern conveniences. If off grid is what you really want, then go for it. Life's too short to have regrets about what you didn't do...
Agreed.

Take advantage when we have the chance.

No rule against cheating when prepping.

Ben
 
Good Morning everybody.
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.
I really hope that I do not trouble the forum too much by using it as a soundboard to my ideas and questions.
My next part of me going off grid is asking the question of which is more efficient, Hydroponics or Aquaponics?. If its Aquaponics what type of fish would be the best to use. Here in SA we have a fish type called Carp, a bottom feeder, which I thought would give me similar results as using Tilapia. What are some of your experiences.?
 
One of my all time favorite poems contains this quote: "Of all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these it might have been."

I agree with Spikedriver. A mix of off grid with some modern would be well advised. Either way don't regret your decision.
 
My next part of me going off grid is asking the question of which is more efficient, Hydroponics or Aquaponics?. If its Aquaponics what type of fish would be the best to use. Here in SA we have a fish type called Carp, a bottom feeder, which I thought would give me similar results as using Tilapia. What are some of your experiences.?

I'll likely get "Burned at the stake" after being "Stoned to near death".........but here is how it is. And you need to be well aware of this.

The level of questions you are asking, is far-far-far beyond the knowledge level of 99.999 % of preppers. My wild'a$$ guess based on the type questions you are asking, would put you in the highest-highest-highest level of "prepping" awareness of the "prepping awareness" movement.
 
Good Morning everybody.
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.
I really hope that I do not trouble the forum too much by using it as a soundboard to my ideas and questions.
My next part of me going off grid is asking the question of which is more efficient, Hydroponics or Aquaponics?. If its Aquaponics what type of fish would be the best to use. Here in SA we have a fish type called Carp, a bottom feeder, which I thought would give me similar results as using Tilapia. What are some of your experiences.?
Hydroponics if not automated require close monitoring. If your chemistry is off for one day you could loose everything .

I have. 300 gallon aquarium wait for the green house I plan to build on the back of my place.

Ben
 
It looks like you are doing a lot of research, good, I will give my take on self sufficiency : Simple is best, look at the way people lived 100 years ago. one of the biggest things is to learn what you really need, and to find an efficient way to provide it, In an area of unrest one wants to be as invisible as possible and all members of the group need to be onboard with the plan. If possible it is best to ease into a simpler life style, sometimes this is not an easy choice. As to Containers as housing, they can be a great plan, provided that you are willing to work with their size. Keep asking questions and see if the answers fit your ideas.
 

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