Truly sustainable homesteads.

Discussion in 'Country Living Questions' started by Tank-Girl, Mar 11, 2018.

Help Support Homesteading Forum by donating using the link above.
  1. Mar 11, 2018 #1

    Tank-Girl

    Tank-Girl

    Tank-Girl

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2017
    Messages:
    740
    Likes Received:
    4,776
    This has been weighing on me for many, many months and I have to just get it off my chest.

    I see so many YT channels who put themselves up as "experts" who use the word sustainable
    to describe their homestead.
    These are the same people who are going to the feed store twice a week to fill
    their trucks, utes, vans etc with grain, hay and brag about the exotic feed additives they feed their livestock.

    I've been tracking grain and crop failures across the globe and what the MSM isn't telling you
    is that grain prices are steady because of stockpiles from previous harvests are held in silo's and grain bunkers across the planet.
    There hasn't been a grain producing nation on earth that hasn't been hit with significant crop losses.
    Ruminate on that for a second and let it sink in.
    What grain that has been produced from these damaged crops are so contaminated by mycotoxins (a chemical produced from molds) that it is rendered unfit for animal feed let alone human consumption.

    It's going to become very apparent in a very short amount of time that people are not going to be able to afford to buy feed for their animals if it's available at all.
    Animals are going to starve because their well meaning owners can't afford to feed them OR they simply haven't planned to produce their own livestock fodder in what ever shape that takes.

    Cell/ rotational grazing is good and well but what happens when there's 2 + foot of snow on the ground
    and the grain at the feed store is of the poorest possible quality and so expensive that you have to choose between buying it or putting fuel in the car?

    I'm NOT an alarmist but a realist and the truth about the world's grain stores is just not getting out to main stream.
    I guess in order not to panic the sheeple.

    I know that I, for one, would rather be told the truth so I can prepare rather than have the comfort of a
    a pleasant lie.
     
    timmie, Bacpacker, hiwall and 12 others like this.
  2. Mar 11, 2018 #2

    Amish Heart

    Amish Heart

    Amish Heart

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    4,348
    Likes Received:
    24,886
    Last year in Kansas, the Chinese were paying more for grain than the locals would buy it for. And there was abundance of grain. We'll see what 2018 harvest does.
    If you're raising animals, then it's a good idea to raise the animal feed, too.
     
  3. Mar 11, 2018 #3

    Tank-Girl

    Tank-Girl

    Tank-Girl

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2017
    Messages:
    740
    Likes Received:
    4,776
    timmie, Weedygarden, Meerkat and 7 others like this.
  4. Mar 11, 2018 #4

    Tank-Girl

    Tank-Girl

    Tank-Girl

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2017
    Messages:
    740
    Likes Received:
    4,776
    This is a LIVE interactive global map that tracks crop losses.

    THis is a international effort from people all over the world which is coordinated by Christian who lives in the States.

    It's updated twice a week and sometimes more.
    The links are live and lead to the verifiable sources.

    These losses are for this season's crop losses worldwide.

    http://iceagefarmer.com/map/
     
    timmie, Woody, Meerkat and 7 others like this.
  5. Mar 11, 2018 #5

    Sewingcreations15

    Sewingcreations15

    Sewingcreations15

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2017
    Messages:
    3,364
    Likes Received:
    20,149
    @Tank-Girl thanks for that I have added it to favourites. It really shows why we have shortages on some grains at the moment and we also have had a lot of crop losses here but are slowly catching up now the weather has cooled a little.
     
    timmie, Weedygarden, Meerkat and 5 others like this.
  6. Mar 11, 2018 #6

    Dani

    Dani

    Dani

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2017
    Messages:
    660
    Likes Received:
    3,083
    We have to drive about an hour north to get enough round bales of hay due to the floods. We can get square bales for $8 which is higher than the normal $6.
     
    timmie, Weedygarden, Meerkat and 6 others like this.
  7. Mar 13, 2018 #7

    Terri9630

    Terri9630

    Terri9630

    Internet Princess Staff Member Moderator Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    4,921
    Likes Received:
    23,158
    Location:
    Southern and central NM.
    Thanks for the updates. We are down to goats and chickens. The chickens can forage and the goats get hay except for my 2 dairy girls. If I can't get hold of good feed for them I'll dry them out and they will hold weight on just hay.
     
  8. Mar 18, 2018 #8

    CluelessKai

    CluelessKai

    CluelessKai

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2018
    Messages:
    138
    Likes Received:
    712
    Location:
    Southern Illinois
    Having grown up in a grain elevator (basically), i know at the farm level, part of government's subsidies program, guarantees farmers a minimum price for their crops. They must store their grain at home or an approved elevator until either the market reaches the price the government agreed upon if not the government then buys it on a date prior to the next harvest. So yes the government has grain. I believe the government began storing grain when our farmers began growing more than the market demanded.
     
    timmie, Bacpacker, Patchouli and 8 others like this.
  9. Mar 18, 2018 #9

    VirginPrepper

    VirginPrepper

    VirginPrepper

    Awesome Friend Neighbor

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2018
    Messages:
    417
    Likes Received:
    1,512
    Which was the birth and cause for the creation of the U.S. Dept. Agriculture program to "SAVE" the farmers........called "Food Stamps". Just close your eyes and visualize the instant catastrophic ramifications of eliminating that (much "LOATHED") program.
     
  10. Mar 18, 2018 #10

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,636
    Likes Received:
    35,656
    It wasn't the market it was the control. They regulated and bankrupted many private farmers out of farming, then turned it over to Big Ag who then brought in all their GMOs and chemical companies to feed us like the sheep we act like.
     
    katlupe, timmie, Bacpacker and 8 others like this.
  11. Mar 18, 2018 #11

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,636
    Likes Received:
    35,656
    Clueless, don't take my reply wrong it wasn't to disagree with you it was just frustration on what they did to our farmers and our food. :thumbs up::huggs:
     
  12. Mar 23, 2018 #12

    Tirediron

    Tirediron

    Tirediron

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    443
    Location:
    Rural western Canada,
    most peoples idea of sustainable agriculture is pretty far off sustainable, just big enough to get by on a good crop year etc, to make it through without outside inputs a homestead needs to be able to store enough for a complete crop failure, and as always Cattle and other ruminants do not need grain as part of their diet, unless you need to tenderize their meat because you chose draft cattle IE Herfords for a beef source.and want Angus type steaks.
     
  13. Mar 24, 2018 #13

    Weedygarden

    Weedygarden

    Weedygarden

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    5,709
    Likes Received:
    25,270
    I see many Youtube channels that are not putting themselves up as experts. What they are doing instead is to document there journey. Many tell you that is what they are doing. I find the hate towards these people so interesting. People who grow up in the city and realize that there are other options in life, have a ways to go. It takes them a while to figure it out. They are humble and open to learning.

    They can all benefit from having subscribers and viewers since YT has changed up their monetization process.

    1. Big Family Homestead just moved last year from Ohio to Wisconsin and are currently buying all their feed. They lived on a small place and didn't have the ability to raise their own feed for their chickens and goats, maybe an acre. Now they have a few head of cattle (maybe around 4), so they have not had a chance to raise any feed, but are purchasing it. They are supporting themselves by selling Thrive and doing Youtube videos. I know they will grow in their abilities as time goes on. They have a lot of work ahead of them on their farm/homestead. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClBCi5TpnTXorbRke79UyLw

    2. Stevens Family Farm is another family I have been watching. They moved from an urban area in Florida to an acreage in Arkansas last year. They have 6 children, 5 of them being very young. They bought a large shed and are still working on making it livable. They have no running water or electricity. Their soil is full of rocks and if they are ever going to be able to farm it, they have a lot of rock to remove from their land. I see rock piles in the corners of fields in rural areas of Nebraska, Kansas, the Dakotas. They have had some challenges with their animals and surviving the heat and cold. Yes, they are buying feed, but they haven't lived there for even a year yet. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtbFEs70DdXx-78gX5_JavQ

    3. The Crazy Drakes is another channel where they have never lived on a homestead before. These people are struggling, currently living in a camper, while preparing a large shed into a home. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFMSKCzg8dygnmgPKUE3BdQ
     
    katlupe, Patchouli, gumpy and 5 others like this.
  14. Mar 24, 2018 #14

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,636
    Likes Received:
    35,656
    Who said we have to raise cattle or large animals to be sustainable? It is nice to be able to do so but not nessesary.
    Most people in the world don't have land or crops fro large stock. A few chickens and crops is all they have.
    Beans,potators some green ,red, yellow and orange is sustainable.
     
  15. Mar 24, 2018 #15

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957 Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    10,794
    Location:
    Missouri
    Nope,live in an apartment.
    But have garden, can, freeze,dehydrate everything I grow.
    So I eat fairly cheaply.
    Cousin's have chickens.
    Save egg cartons for her.
    She gives me eggs.
    I sew for other people.
    We trade items, goods.
    I can paint, stain furniture for someone.
    They will save buttons,zippers from worn out clothing for me.
    When I repair quilts for others.
    I get leftover fabric, thread etc.
    I can hunt,fish live off land.
    And that's before I went in the Army.
    My parents were raised in depression.
    So I was raised in depression mind set.
    When cousin goes on vacation, I go out to farm and take care of animals.
    She brings me Sorghum from Kentucky.
    I can make bread over fire, and have.
    Don't know if that makes a me Homesteader or not.
    But it's the way I live.
    Would like to find about 25 acres.
    Put a barn on it and call it home.
    Will it happen, don't know.
    God willing, otherwise where I'm at physically,mentally, emotionally is good.
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2018
    katlupe, musketjim, BioBacon and 12 others like this.
  16. Mar 24, 2018 #16

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,636
    Likes Received:
    35,656
    MoBook, you sound like a really cool smart person. :green man::thumbs up:
     
    katlupe, timmie, Patchouli and 3 others like this.
  17. Mar 24, 2018 #17

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957 Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    10,794
    Location:
    Missouri
    Thank you.
    I'm just me.
    I have money in savings.
    May not be much but it's in there for emergencies.
    Borrowed money from my dad, soon that money will go back into savings.
    Refinanced new to me car for lower interest rate.
    Still plan on paying it off in 4 years instead of 5 years
    I live below my means.
    Always have.
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2018
    katlupe, timmie, Patchouli and 7 others like this.
  18. Mar 24, 2018 #18

    SheepDog

    SheepDog

    SheepDog

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    2,342
    Likes Received:
    10,907
    Location:
    SE Washington State
    If I wasn't already married I'd want to get to know you better. You and my wife would be good friends if you were closer.
     
    katlupe, timmie, Meerkat and 3 others like this.
  19. Mar 24, 2018 #19

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957 Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    10,794
    Location:
    Missouri
    Who? Me?
     
    timmie, Patchouli, Meerkat and 2 others like this.
  20. Mar 24, 2018 #20

    SheepDog

    SheepDog

    SheepDog

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    2,342
    Likes Received:
    10,907
    Location:
    SE Washington State
    Yes sweetie, you.
     
  21. Mar 24, 2018 #21

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957 Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    10,794
    Location:
    Missouri
    Thank you.
     
  22. Mar 24, 2018 #22

    SheepDog

    SheepDog

    SheepDog

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    2,342
    Likes Received:
    10,907
    Location:
    SE Washington State
    Not at all, thank you. It is good to see people who have their heads on straight and their hearts still functional.
    I believe my head is in the right place but sometimes I wonder about my heart. My wife tells me its the biggest heart she has ever seen but we have been married a while and never had an argument...
    I wonder about her perceptions at times but I have never doubted her sincerity.
     
    katlupe, BioBacon, timmie and 6 others like this.
  23. Mar 25, 2018 #23

    Amish Heart

    Amish Heart

    Amish Heart

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    4,348
    Likes Received:
    24,886
    I think working towards a group of semi sustainable people around you is good, because bartering your specialty is possible. It's hard to know everything
     
  24. Mar 25, 2018 #24

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957 Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    10,794
    Location:
    Missouri
    I'm frugal, because growing up that's what I was taught.
    Don't waste nothing if possible.
    right down to cooking:example:
    Pot roast,potatoes,carrots etc. becomes stew, then homemade pot pies for future meals in freezer.
    As for sewing for other people when first married, it was sewing patches on uniforms.
    Then I started sewing for military families with lots of kids.
    take one child's dress pattern make half dozen little dresses each different with fabric,trim,buttons,sizes.
    Same for little boy's shirts.
    That was my spending money for the week, or saved it for something special like dinner out with then husband.(divorced).
    Now I sew for charity mostly, everything I made my grand daughter, made 5 extra for charity.
    All got invested is time.
     
    Just Cliff, BioBacon, timmie and 8 others like this.
  25. Mar 25, 2018 #25

    gumpy

    gumpy

    gumpy

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2017
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    11,892
    Location:
    Clifton TN
    @MoBookworm1957 ,
    I truly hope that you get the opportunity to live your dream. We have only 7 acres, 90% wooded and will stay that way. 1/4 mile away is the Tennessee River. I see an average of about 5 deer per day. We have turkey, squirrels, rabbits, and coons. I have many trades to barter. I have enough cleared for a good size garden.
    We can and will survive if it's not a cataclysmic catastrophe in this immediate area. If it is, I'll be at the feet of Jesus! Survival in my book doesn't mean having a lot of stuff stored, though it would help tremendously. Eventually that would run out, and without survival skills what happens then?
    Just my plugged nickels worth.
     
    katlupe, BioBacon, timmie and 11 others like this.
  26. Mar 29, 2018 #26

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957

    MoBookworm1957 Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,045
    Likes Received:
    10,794
    Location:
    Missouri
    Thank you.
     
  27. Jul 22, 2018 #27

    BioBacon

    BioBacon

    BioBacon

    Awesome Friend Neighbor

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    332
    Glad I found this thread. I keep being wishy washy about my future plans. I'm 36 and will have my small city house played off in 82 months. If all goes to plan I should have about 70,000 in savings plus whatever I can get out of my house to buy a country property in 12 years after my last kid graduates high school. We will also have additional retirement savings. That's 2030. Should I put up that money and plunge into full time homesteading when I could semi retire in my small city at 50? I think of my life at 50 and think how miserable I will be if I'm still living where I do. What's the point of retiring early if I hate it? Yes I have a garden now and at one crazy time we had 12 chickens 2 ducks 5 rabbits and a dog but my third of an acre just can't support that full time. I won't feel safe untill I have enough land to grow a years worth of food and support the animals that I want and feel I need. What do y'all think?
     
  28. Jul 22, 2018 #28

    Amish Heart

    Amish Heart

    Amish Heart

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    4,348
    Likes Received:
    24,886
    Buy the country property. Try to also find a way to bring in extra money while you are retired.
     
  29. Jul 22, 2018 #29

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Meerkat

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2017
    Messages:
    10,636
    Likes Received:
    35,656
    We started over in late middle age. It gets harder everyday to keep the place up. So the earlier you start building your farm the better, imo. If things get so bad you need to store a years worth of food you may not be able to keep it so I'd just grow a few months at a time. It doesn't take a lot of land to grow food to store but if you want privacy you need enough to keep distance from neighbors.
    Most people think when the kids grow up they will be there to help, thats is usually not the case, they go live their lives away from home like they should if they are independent minded.
    Just my opinion so good luck in whatever you do.
     
  30. Jul 22, 2018 #30

    hiwall

    hiwall

    hiwall

    Awesome Friend Neighbor HCL Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2017
    Messages:
    1,849
    Likes Received:
    10,540
    Location:
    White Mountians AZ
    I see Oregon just lost tens of thousands of acres of wheat due to wildfires.
    We all know bad times are coming, that's why we are here on this website.
    Tank-girl, thanks for additional information.
     

Share This Page