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Tomorrow is 9/11 and I thought a thread where people share anything they want about it might be interesting. Back in the old place, we had a man who was in Manhattan when it happened. I don't remember the details, but maybe some of you do. I may go look for his story.

A friend of mine shared this.

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THEY FORGOT HER....BUT WE WON'T !!!
Genelle Guzman-McMillan was the last person found alive in the rubble of the World Trade Center. She went to work on September 11, 2001 on the 64th floor. When the towers came down she was buried for 27 hours, longer than any other person. Her story should have been included in the World Trade Center Movie released in 2006.
 
Tomorrow is 9/11 and I thought a thread where people share anything they want about it might be interesting. Back in the old place, we had a man who was in Manhattan when it happened. I don't remember the details, but maybe some of you do. I may go look for his story.

A friend of mine shared this.

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THEY FORGOT HER....BUT WE WON'T !!!
Genelle Guzman-McMillan was the last person found alive in the rubble of the World Trade Center. She went to work on September 11, 2001 on the 64th floor. When the towers came down she was buried for 27 hours, longer than any other person. Her story should have been included in the World Trade Center Movie released in 2006.
WOW! Thanks for posting that Weedy! Wonder where she is today!
 
I found the story on the old place. The poster was Geek 999

"I was asked to relate my experience on 9/11, so here it is:

7:58 am United Flight 175, a Boeing 767, leaves Boston for Los Angeles
7:59 am American Flight 11, a Boeing 767, leaves Boston for Los Angeles
8:01 am United Flight 93, a Boeing 757, leaves Newark for San Francisco
8:10 am American Flight 77, a Boeing 757, leaves Dulles for Los Angeles

Approximately 8:45 am American Flight 11, hits One World Trade Center, aka North Tower.

I was sitting at my desk on the 63rd floor of Tower Two when I heard what sounded like an explosion in the distance. It was actually the first plane hitting Tower One, but I did not know what it was. I looked out the window and the air was full of debris, mostly paper, but also some ceiling tiles and some of the debris was on fire. I knew something was seriously wrong, but I did not know what. I spent less than 60 seconds putting my computer in my bag and was moving. I took a quick look around for the few people that I work with, but saw none of them. Three of us were actually on the floor, but none of us saw each other in the process of evacuating. I headed for the elevators hoping to get down before they were cut off. The elevators on 63 took you to the 44th floor. I got that far by elevator, but was directed to the emergency stairs to get the rest of the way down.

Approximately 8:50 am

Some of the people who were directing us at that level probably did not get out. I remember one fellow who worked in the cafeteria, and must have been a fire warden, directing me to the fire stairs on 44. At the time I did not know if he made it out alive. Morgan Stanley lost 13 people out of 2700, but those were mostly security people and fire wardens. I didn't know this fellow's name, so there was no easy way to find out if he was alive or among those killed. I began walking down the fire stairs. I learned about six months later that all of the cafeteria workers survived.

Approximately 9:03 am

Walking down the stairs people were not panicked, but were moving briskly. When I reached the fourteenth floor, the building shook as though there was an earthquake. That was the plane hitting Tower Two. According to the news afterward, this was 18 minutes after the first plane had hit Tower One, but I still had no idea what was causing the explosions. As soon as the shaking subsided everyone resumed moving and I remember one woman removing her heels at that point. I descended to the lobby level. There more people were directing us as we came out of the stairwell, but they were directing us away from the nearest exit, which happened to be the south side where the second plane had entered the building. I suspect there was too much falling debris to go out that side.

As I went through the mall, I saw three firemen who were heading in the direction of Tower Two. They were all very large fit young men carrying a lot of equipment slung over their shoulders. The route the crowd was following through the mall was rather circuitous. There were no directions being given in the mall.

Approximately, 9:13 am

We wound up exiting on the east side of the complex, under Five World Trade Center. There was some debris falling there too, so I hustled across the street and continued walking toward Broadway. When I got far enough away to look back at the Towers, both were on fire high up. Tower One (aka north tower) was on fire higher than Tower Two (aka south tower). I could see that a number of columns were broken on both towers. It looked like Tower Two was on fire at approximately the level of my office, but later news accounts placed the fire higher. I knew that there was no returning to work that day. The fires would need to be put out and the whole building checked before anyone would be allowed to reenter. I kept moving to Broadway and then turned north. My goal was to get out of New York before the exits across the Hudson were closed. I thought my best bet was the 32nd Street PATH. I tried to use the subway at one point, but found it had been shut down.

I walked quite a distance. I think it was about a mile. I tried using the cell phone but got busy signals. I heard one person say they had seen people jumping from one of the towers. This struck me as extremely far-fetched though I later learned it had been true. I had seen nothing of the sort. I had not seen anyone hurt in any way. A few people had been a bit winded from the walking and there was enough debris falling around that someone must have been hit with falling debris, but I did not see it.

I heard from someone that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I thought of a small plane and this made no sense to me because there was no way a small plane could set both Towers on fire. I have also flown down the Hudson in a small plane and could not imagine a pilot so out of it as to ram one of the Towers on a beautiful clear day. I passed a newsstand that was open and bought a bottle of water.

Approximately 9:30 am

I finally got far enough away from the crowds to catch a cab. A well-dressed black woman piled in beside me and asked if she could share the ride as far as I was going and then continue north with the cab. I agreed and the cab driver started driving and turned on the radio. This was the only direct news I received. To this day I don’t know who the woman was or whether she made it to where she was going

Approximately 10:00am

I got to the PATH and got on a train headed for Journal Square, which is not where I wanted to be, but it was on the other side of the river. Once underway, the train stopped for what seemed to be a very long time, though no announcements were made. The train did not make any of the intermediate stops where I would ordinarily have changed trains for Hoboken such as the Pavonia Newport station. The train went directly to Journal Square and then went out of service, stranding me at Journal Square. I believe it was the last train out of NY before the PATH tunnels were closed. I talked to a lot of people on the train and heard that Tower Two had collapsed.

Approximately 10:15 am Two World Trade Center collapses. I believe it was at this point the PATH tunnel flooded at the World Trade Center end. I did not know that the PATH tunnel was now flooded from the World Trade Center to Exchange Place. Weeks later I would learn that engineers trying to assess the damage would go from Exchange Place to the World Trade Center site via rafts through the PATH tunnel.

Approximately 11:00 am I arrive at Journal Square

When we got to Journal Square, there did not appear to be any way to get back to the stops at Exchange Place or Pavonia Ave where I could catch the PATH to Hoboken. A fellow I had met on the train and I decided to look for a cab to Hoboken, could not find one, so we started walking. We were walking toward Exchange Place but started to run into people who were coming from Exchange Place. We learned that the entire Jersey waterfront had been closed. We changed direction to walk all the way to Hoboken. On the way we caught glimpses of the NY skyline and there was a large impenetrable cloud where the World Trade Center had been. With all the smoke you could not actually tell it was gone. I made occasional attempts to use the cell phone, but still no luck. By this time the Verizon switching complex near the World Trade Center had been damaged, taking out 400,000 phone circuits, but I did not know this. Also, I heard later that ten cell towers that had been on top of the WTC had been destroyed. Essentially a record number of calls were being made at the same time massive amounts of communications capacity was going up in smoke.
 
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Approximately, 12:15 pm

At Hoboken the station was cordoned off to receive injured. There were ambulances, stretchers, etc. all over the place. Some of the people arriving were covered with soot. A woman was handing out bottled water and I had gone through the bottle I bought earlier, so I took one and thanked her. I was surprised at all the preparation in Hoboken. By now I had been on the move for over 3 hours and had walked five miles and down 44 floors.

My train line splits at a station west of Hoboken. The next train to leave on that line was scheduled for 12:30 but would go down the wrong branch. I decided to take it anyhow, figuring to get to that station and change trains later, or at least be closer to home if the trains were cut off. I bought a couple cookies while waiting and got on the train. Everyone on the train was talking about what had happened. They were amazed that I had actually been in the Trade Center. They had been wondering if anyone got out alive and I was unaware that anyone had been killed. While on this train I finally made a phone connection to my parents and asked them to call the rest of the family. I was able to get the connection around Newark. I got off at the station I planned to.

Approximately, 1:30 pm

The train that was supposed to go down my branch was late, so I stood on the platform for awhile. When it arrived, a bunch of people in medical garb got off and were talking about letting them get the injured off the train, but I never saw the injured. Once they were done, I got on the train and it took me out to my station. I got home about 3:00pm, having left my desk about 8:45am.

I got home to find 15 phone messages and a large number of email messages from people trying to check on my safety. I spent the rest of the afternoon responding to all of these, still not having seen any news. There were messages from my children left before my parents had gotten in touch with them. Both sounded somewhat panicky so I called each of them but hit answering machines, so I left messages. I continued to answer phone calls and emails, while more flowed in.

I finally got to turn on the news after 6:30 pm and learned that there had been two planes, that both towers had collapsed, etc. I may have been one of the last people in America to know what happened.

Since then I have had people call me "lucky", which is true, "brave" which is not and a variety of other flattering things, none of which were deserved. The best adjective was probably Clueless. I've been interviewed about health effects and architects trying to determine how to make buildings safer. I've listened to more people telling me their 9/11 stories than I can count.

I've also concluded that the worst disaster is one you don't think of in advance.

Today I routinely carry a small AM/FM radio at all times in case I get caught in another disaster, just so I can find out what is going on. "
 
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Todd Beamer was born in Flint, MI and lived in Flushing, MI until he was about 6 years old. On September 11, 2001 he was on board Flight 93. He was instrumental in regaining control of the plane from the highjackers. Todd managed to make a phone call to a 911 operator while on board the plane. His last words to us on the ground echo in our minds even to this day. #neverforget
 
Its still painful for me. I lost close friends, one at the pentagon, and a good half dozen from the subsequent wars, or by suicide from the scars of those wars. I keep the anger bottled up pretty tight, but it’s there.
 
This will surely be a sad day for many people, a tough day to get through.

I pray for all the survivors, those who lost loved ones, the widows and widowers, the orphaned children, the people who died from their actions while being heroes that day and in the following days.
 
My uncle was working at the Chase Manhattan headquarters in NYC, just 2-3 blocks from the WTC site.
He lives in Staten Island, and ended up having to walk home the next day, but said that the wall of smoke and debris hit the building like a ton of bricks, shaking it - they had to shut all the vents, and he ended up spending the night in the building.
He had quite a few friends he lost in the attacks, as he worked downtown NYC his whole career - started as a janitor at Chase in the early 60s and ended up as the VP for foreign relations by retirement.
 
For me this did not happen on 9-11. On 9-10 I had flown to the border of Alaska & Canada in a float plane, to guide two hunters for moose and grizzly bears on a ten day wilderness hunt, we were scheduled for extraction late in the day on 9-20 but the plane never arrived and the weather was good. All civilian planes were prohibited from flight. We were extracted on the 21'st or 22'nd. That was the first we became aware of the twin towers event.
 
My cousin lives in Staten Island, she was a cop then! Had to come over to Manhatten to work the scene! Another cousin had just left the first tower where her office was, got caught in the street, debris and asbestos covering her and many others fleeing! My brother was doing a big flooring job at Lincoln Center close by, he and a bunch of people went out on the roof to see what was happening! I'm lucky to have all three of them!!
 
My thoughts and prayers are for those who lost family and friends that day. That was a horrible attack. A week after, I drove by the Pentagon and could see the devastation from the highway.

For years afterward, we were fed a large daily dose of fear about terrorists. We were told not to profile and to not regard those in the Middle East as terrorists, which, of course, caused us to do and think exactly that. "We fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here," we were told.

Where are the terrorists now? Where's all the concern over terrorism? Why did we bug out of Afghanistan only to leave it to the same people we'd been fighting for the last many years?

And why hasn't the grossly-misnamed Patriot Act been abolished? Why do we still have a TSA or DHS?

I will never say that the events of 9/11 were contrived by this country or any of our allies because I just don't know. But I can observe how our country has changed and how the fear porn has changed. This catastrophe and others have been milked (or contrived) to provide far more power to the government using fear.

See my quote below.
 
To this day I do not trust a damn thing they have told us about 9/11 because of two words broadcast for the world to hear:

"PULL IT."
And a third building fell. funny how the whole thing got insured for terrorism the month before too huh? lucky, lucky. unless you were in one of those buildings. really fortunate, but not so much for the first responders
trying to save people who were crushed alive. Then we got a two decade long war, part of which was unnecessary.
In my opinion, it could have been over quickly. that part of the middle east would never be habitable again and those responsible would weep in terror any time they heard our name mentioned. Shrub didn't have the guts.
Shiny black mirrors that glow from space make good tombstones.
 
For me this did not happen on 9-11. On 9-10 I had flown to the border of Alaska & Canada in a float plane, to guide two hunters for moose and grizzly bears on a ten day wilderness hunt, we were scheduled for extraction late in the day on 9-20 but the plane never arrived and the weather was good. All civilian planes were prohibited from flight. We were extracted on the 21'st or 22'nd. That was the first we became aware of the twin towers event.

I was not in Alaska at the time, but I heard stories of how Senator Ted Stevens was raising all sorts of heck with the Feds on lifting this flight restrictions in Alaska due to hunters/guides being cut off from the world, as well as communities that wholly depend on air travel as their only access to the world.
 
A very little known "fact" is that the military very-very nearly shot down a commercial airliner inbound to Anchorage, Alaska that day as it approached Anchorage. It was broadcasting the wrong code. I think code: 7700
 
Today is the 21st anniversary of 9/11/01 and yet the only channel I found talking about it is on the National Geographic Channel, which is just airing a documentary from 2005. . .then afterwards 2019, then the fall of Osama bin Laden in 2022. I won't be up that late, but do wonder if they will admit that President Bush knew where bin Laden was shortly after and let him go? Seriously doubt it. Sorry, but this date is one that I will never forget. I still remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when I learned of the first tragic event, like so many others. Was talking to my Honduras friend about it earlier. Even she remembered exactly the time she learned still living in Honduas. And to this day, I have to just wonder if our own government was not in on it in some way?
 
In some ways, this is a Hell of a thread. Or maybe Hell in a thread. Osama brought us together - but then we fairly quickly came apart again. I really didn't need to be reminded how f**ked up we are. Maybe we should just skip the holiday Halloween. It's been going on long enough.
 
To this day I do not trust a damn thing they have told us about 9/11 because of two words broadcast for the world to hear:

"PULL IT."
And a third building fell. funny how the whole thing got insured for terrorism the month before too huh? lucky, lucky. unless you were in one of those buildings. really fortunate, but not so much for the first responders
trying to save people who were crushed alive. Then we got a two decade long war, part of which was unnecessary.
In my opinion, it could have been over quickly. that part of the middle east would never be habitable again and those responsible would weep in terror any time they heard our name mentioned. Shrub didn't have the guts.
Shiny black mirrors that glow from space make good tombstones.
I never saw that or heard it, but I believe it. I am with you. I do not believe the narrative that has been told, but since I am out the loop, can never know what really happened.

I did have a cousin in the Pentagon at the time of the plane hitting it. The plane hit an area that was not currently occupied, but was being or had just been remodeled. Cousin had just finished a tour of this area and said they were watching footage of what was going on in NYC. He said, "We could get hit." He went down the hall to use the restroom and was there when the plane hit. People were leaving and he had to swim against the crowd to get to his office. He told me he refused to leave his things there. I have no idea what he had or what was so important to him. He walked to a bar close by and had a beer. He called his sister to let her know that he was okay. Then he walked miles home.
When I saw him a few years ago, I asked if he thought it was really a plane that hit, or maybe it was rigged. He told me that when they were finally able to go back to work, another guy in his department found parts of a plane by his desk.
 
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I can't find it and I'm not going to Alex Jones to rummage through his files, I don't like conspiracy. "PULL IT" I heard myself.
this is related:

https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc_giuliani.html
It smells like when the BATFE and FBI just happened to be out on the day Oklahoma went boom. Also a fact.
 
I'm not buying into some of the conspiracy stuff - because it's just frosting on the cake; unnecessary; extra. The Team didn't need it. The Team that Dubya fronted for used 9/11 for their purposes so well that they must have been waiting for it, or something very similar, to happen. They must have thought they needed more, because they tried hard to get Saddam to use a few of his nukes (he really did have a few, I think). That plan failed, but they sent our troops into Iraq anyway.

Anyway, reading and thinking about it got me upset, and I didn't sleep well last night. Was going to go to the range today; but not with this burr under my bonnet.

I am convinced that we should not forget 9/11, 2001. The Real Story is as important as 12/7, 1941. Only it was mass murder, not war, and the target was people, not ships and planes. The target was us.
 
In some ways, this is a Hell of a thread. Or maybe Hell in a thread. Osama brought us together - but then we fairly quickly came apart again. I really didn't need to be reminded how f**ked up we are. Maybe we should just skip the holiday Halloween. It's been going on long enough.
Bush knew where Osama bin Laudin was even back in the day, yet he let his butt walk. The question I have, was our government involved? Seems like it to me.
 
Bush knew where Osama bin Laudin was even back in the day, yet he let his butt walk. The question I have, was our government involved? Seems like it to me.
I don't think the Bush Team was involved in the attack. I think they jumped to take advantage of it though. It "set the tone" they needed to jump on Iraq.
 
I was doing body work on my old pick-up when I noticed a comercial airliner fly over which never happens.

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I was listening to the radio and heard about the first plane. I needed to use the bathroom so I switched on CNN to see the live coverage. I watched what looked like a lame animation only to realize it was the second plane live.

I called The Princess at work to update her. Didn't get much body work done that day.

Ben
 

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