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Wife Of Child Rapist Sues Church For Reporting Confession

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  1. Jan 13, 2020 #1

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    https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesma...r-reporting-confession-LvskuyUiqESBMLeR-eamEQ

     
  2. Jan 13, 2020 #2

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    I think the church did the right thing.
     
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    So . . . the perpetrator confessed to get a free ride for his conscience and his soul? Those things he may have received.
     
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    The church did exactly what they should have done. Forgiveness is found in Christ, not man. And clergy are just men.
     
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    The church and clergyman did the right thing in reporting the abuse as that is our policy in the church to inform relevant law enforcement agencies of any unlawful activity. It is also on our church noticeboard in writing at our chapel.

    Sadly the wife could have a strong chance to win the case due to a loophole that it is that clergy can choose to have exceptions to reporting by law in that state. Part of our church teachings are we are to obey the law of the land too so this could be a tricky catch 22 situation.

    As a leader then to cover yourself in the church in any private/privileged conversations at the beginning of the conversation you need to say if this communication is regarding any illegal activity I am required by law/profession and church policy to report it.

    @VThillman repenting may not guarantee the perpetrator a free ride at all as he will have to be judged by God for what he did in the end so that will be God's decision and not ours.
     
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    um, the first obligation was the man's... to provide a safe home for his children. He did the first violation, which means he lost any right to confidentiality or privacy. He violated a young girl. That he confessed it to clergy...clergy is mandated, as said above, to report abuse. End of story.
     
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    Exactly @Patchouli and that policy is well known in the church/leader handbooks and on noticeboards.
     
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    She is suing for lack of his companionship. Really?
     
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    wouldn't she be relieved to be rid of the scum? Ugh. To be sleeping in the same bed, washing his laundry, and he has violated her daughter? It's not the church's responsibility to provide her with a suitable mate. It's not the church's fault he was arrested.
    dead horse I can't see how she would win this.
     
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    It's also not the church's responsibility to protect rapists, no matter how "sorry" they are.
    Mom knew about this and should also be arrested.
     
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    How do you know that "mom" didn't participate in the abuse.
    And yes she should have been arrested, in my humble opinion.
     
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    @Amish Heart that is something else I couldn't get over that she was suing for lack of companionship. Any mother in their right mind wouldn't want the scumbag anywhere near them or especially the children. Sounds as though she is suing for the lifestyle she would like to become accustomed to more to the point.

    I don't see she would win this case either personally but you never know what a jury will do or think .
     
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    It is possible she really did not know. She may have suspected it but ignored the signs. I'm not defending her. Just sayin
     
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    I have known of more than one girl who was in trouble for telling on the adult man in her family sexually abusing her. One woman said her mother slapped her across the face, hard. Coming from a family with narcissism, I belong to groups for victims of narcissism abuse. Pedophiles are narcissists (narcs). In many of the stories I have read about, the mothers knew. In many instances, the mother chose the abuser over the daughter and did nothing to protect the daughter, after being told by the daughter. They know.

    A man I taught with was arrested for abusing a young woman. I knew that someone had told the principal in our school that he was abusing girls. Principal did nothing. When he was arrested, she cried and cried and said she had no idea. Bull!

    With how much the Catholic church has been in the news in the last couple of decades about protecting the abusers, I am waiting for the pendulum to swing the other way, for abusers to really get what they deserve. It will never happen. Abusers protect other abusers. They are in a pedophile priest club together. Now I fell down the rabbit hole about the abuse of power by lies and manipulation in the Catholic church. There is so much more I could say, but want this to get back on track.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I agree with everybody here. The church did the right thing. I don't know that telling " a panel of church members " would constitute the same privilege as telling a priest in a confessional or telling your lawyer. Apparently the law says they are required to report cases of child abuse.

    Oregon is an uber liberal state. Nothing would surprise me.
     
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    Well still the Catholic church has sacred confessions in which they refuse to report illegal activity if it is confessed to the priests. You think with all that has happened that this would have changed.
     
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    If anybody is interested this is a good article on how the Catholic Church views the sanctity of the confessional.

    https://www.catholiceducation.org/e...tions/seal-of-confession-and-child-abuse.html
     
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    That depends on "who you talk to" on the subject. And the nature of the "free" ride. I have noticed some inconsistency on the subject.
     
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    I clicked on it, it opened, it is still open in a tab. As soon as I went to read the story, I wondered if I really want to have my blood pressure go way up this early in the morning. Or ever. A priest who is now identified as a pedo in South Dakota served at a church where my uncle and his large family attended, literally a couple blocks from their home. All 5 boys were altar boys and altar boys were prime targets for priests. The youngest, when seeing that the priest was identified, said he was not a nice man. I have no idea what happened, but cousin said he slammed him against a cabinet. Cousin is no longer a Catholic.
     
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    I am not condoning this by any stretch of the imagination. There are rotten eggs in every organization, and the Catholic Church seems to have more than their fair share. The Catholic Church also seems to be more proactive in protecting the offenders, and attacking the victims. There is much evidence that this is the reason Pope Benedict XVI resigned. He couldn't deal with it.

    Be that as it may the courts, by precedent, have recognized the sanctity of the confessional. I don't know if it carries over to other religions. I would be very much interested in the outcome.
     
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    That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
    Churches, priests, ministers should not protect rapists.
    And they are protecting them if they do not turn them in.
    They will "confess" and continue to rape.
     
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    Precedent is an enemy of rational thinking.
     
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    Having been a Catholic for the first 22 years of my life, I have long thought that it does not represent the truth of Christianity. The power trip of the structure and organization of the church has long taken advantage of its members. Why has the bible not been a foundation of the church? Why were they replaced with hymnals? Hymnals contain selected biblical verses, but not the complete bible. Many things were set up to get another financial payment from the poor, in order for them to be able to be baptized, married, and even buried. All over Europe, for centuries, the wealthiest person in any village was the local priest. Meanwhile, children might have died from starvation, and then the parents had to find something to pay the priest for a burial ritual.

    Less than a decade ago, I found out that my ancestors on my mother's side, were followers of Jan Hus, a Catholic priest who was burned at the stake for pointing out 14 tenets that were missing in the Catholic church, as written in the bible. Communion is the body and blood, and yet, the peasants only got bread. However, the priest always got wine. My gg grandparents have the outline of a shield and a chalice on their headstones, a symbol of being followers of his teachings.
     
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    I belong to a non-denominational Christian church. We have no membership, we have no hymnals, we have no pomp & circumstance, we have no robes or candles, we have no classes one has to take to join, we have no class one has to take to partake in communion, we have no church calendar we have to follow, we have no human who is revered over another, etc. We have the Word of God and the Word of God only. Nowhere in the Word does it say we are supposed to protect rapists or pedophiles. In fact in Psalms 82:3 it says Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the rights of the oppressed.
     
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    Very true @VThillman it does depend who the perpetrator speaks and confesses/repents to as to his/her earthly punishment but as far as the end punishment it is in God's hands and not man's in my opinion.

    I personally don't think that any church should not have to report illegal activity or abuse and it should be mandatory to do so to protect the innocent/vulnerable.
     
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    Church and anyone else involved with children are MANDATORY reporters... and the POS got off light, should have put a bullet in his ear and dumped him in a ditch to feed the wildlife.
     
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    Be a shame to poison the wildlife though @CountryGuy :LOL:.
     

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