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Please feel free to explain your position to forum readers that NO defense is better than SOME defense... as one MUST have a gun, since all other self defense tools are virtually worthless. I have no desire to participate in such a 'discussion'.

Seriously?!?! I have to defend that some defense is better than NO defense?!?!?! That's nonsense... and why I won't waste my time here any more.

Your marbles don't matter... the safety of our kids does. Bob

The programs of which I'm aware were started within the past two years. As of yet, the results are unknown... and I hope they stay that way. Do you? Bob

Two thumbs up! :great::great: Bob

I disagree. These and other such efforts will save lives. Bob

Let me make it clear... By my perception, the Limestone County teachers were making a tremendous stride to protect our kids. Yet, the responses were 'most uncomplimentary'. Basically, they were 'you stupid shits... guns or nothing'. And, by my perception, the comments were from...

No, the misrepresentation of the effectiveness and value of self defense tools other than 'guns' is what was 'totally overlooked'. ... are indeed BS. I like a true discussion... what I don't like is "This is the way it is because I have 'experience'." I have 'experience' as well. But, if my...

Havasu, I understand. But, insisting that 'guns are the answer' and other self defense tools are 'ridiculous' is... well... ridiculous. The best we can do is support the masses as best we can... which includes helping them prepare to whatever level of response they're willing to execute...

I don't see a true 'discussion' happening. What I expect is to be browbeat with 'years of experience' into accepting that 'guns are the only answer'. My position is that anyone properly trained to use a firearm in high stress situations would be a tremendous asset to have 'on site' during an...

Many respond to being shot with a handgun the same way. Hence, my post #8. What's truly 'ridiculous' is misrepresenting the effectiveness, limitations, and inherent dangers of... and the training required to proficiently use... the various self defense tools. Obviously, I'm wasting my time...

Excerpted from The Effectiveness and Safety of Pepper Spray (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/195739.pdf)... “A 1999 study that examined 690 incidents of pepper spray use concluded that pepper spray was effective 85 percent of the time, according to the broadest definition of the term...

Scenario... You attend a 4th of July picnic at a local park. It's a beautiful day and there are at least 1,000 people of all ages celebrating. Several pavilions are crowded with family and friends. In one of the large pavilions, a group of about 50, spanning 4 generations, are having a...

But, I'm still a member :rolleyes: ... and have been for years. :D Best regards, :smilie flag: Bob

We need a LOT more of this... http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2016/01/limestone_county_teachers_lear.html

We, the people, ... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/04/man-carrying-concealed-pistol-stops-attack-on-utah-police-officer.html Best regards,:smilie flag:Bob

Let's send Feinstein et al to Mexico to 'fix' the problem.:rolleyes:Just sayin'...;)Best regards,:smilie flag:Bob

Very sorry! My warmest condolences. Bob

Not to hijack the thread... but 'WHAT?!?!':eek::huh:Bob

My wife gets upset when I 'pest control'... until they bother her bird feeders... then it's okay... and I get to 'practice'. :rolleyes: Best regards, :smilie flag:Bob