2,000 Year Old Seed

[elkhound]

i am reposting something i wrote another time,another place..take whats useful and discard the rest..


back story here on something i found....last weeks sabbath day we were discussing graven images.i tell friend did you know temple had carvings all over the walls and doors and such.he said what you talking about..i said i read its got/had date palms and more on it.he asked where i knew that from i told him bible. so i went and showed verses in a few places talking about it. i was showing him that his interpretation of what english says graven image cant be that because of this...anyhow upon doing that i ran across a great story and some historical info of interest from survival point....one point of interest to me is according to this article these dates were thought to been wiped out in 500a.d. that date is interesting to me as carol deppe p.h.d. person i talk about that a seed saver .gardener,plant breeder etc. says its in records that at 500a.d. there was a world wide famine across the globe.interesting heres dates saying same thing....hope you enjoy..


2,000 year old seed sprouts

Tree Grown From 2,000-Year-Old Seed Has Reproduced


www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/tree-grown-2000-year-old-seed-has-reproduced-180954746/


verses for those interested..


Ezekiel 41:18-20 King James Version (KJV)

18 And it was made with cherubims and palm trees, so that a palm tree was between a cherub and a cherub; and every cherub had two faces;

19 So that the face of a man was toward the palm tree on the one side, and the face of a young lion toward the palm tree on the other side: it was made through all the house round about.

20 From the ground unto above the door were cherubims and palm trees made, and on the wall of the temple.


Ezekiel 40:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 And there were narrow windows to the little chambers, and to their posts within the gate round about, and likewise to the arches: and windows were round about inward: and upon each post were palm trees.


1 Kings 6:29 King James Version (KJV)

29 And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without.

 

[elkhound]

Judean date palm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judean_date_palm


History

Fruit of the date palm was considered a staple food in the Judaean Desert, as it was a source of food and its tree of shelter and shade for thousands of years, and became a recognized symbol of the Kingdom of Judah. It grew around the Dead Sea in the south, to the Sea of Galilee and the Hula Valley regions in the north. The tree and its fruit caused Jericho to become a major population center and are praised in the Hebrew Bible possibly several times indirectly, such as in Psalms (Psalms 92:12-15), "The righteous himself will blossom forth as a palm tree does", and date clusters (Hebrew: תַּלְתַּלִּים‎) are mentioned in the Song of Songs (Song of Songs 5:11).

In ancient times, date palms were used for their supposed medicinal properties to cure many diseases and infections, promoting longevity and acting as a mild aphrodisiac. Modern studies have been done in an attempt to confirm their medicinal value.[6]

Its likeness was engraved on shekalim, the ancient Hebrew unit of currency. According to historical sources, the taste of them was something splendid. Already in the fifth century BCE, Herodotus noted that the greatest importance of the Judean dates was that they were drier and less perishable than those from Egypt and thus suitable for storage and export, which is still an important distinction today. Pliny the Elder, a Roman naturalist of the 1st century CE, wrote that Jericho's dates were known for their succulence and sweetness, though he distinguished a considerable variety of them and discussed several different varieties by name.[7]

When the Roman Empire invaded ancient Judea,[dubious – discuss] thick forests of date palm up to 80 feet (24 m) high and 7 miles (11 km) wide covered the Jordan River valley from the Sea of Galilee in the north to the shores of the Dead Sea in the south.[citation needed] The tree so defined the local economy that the Roman emperor Vespasian celebrated the reconquest after the First Jewish Revolt (66-70 CE) by minting Judaea Capta coinage, a series of coins sometimes depicting Judaea as a mourning woman beneath a date palm. The palm tree can appear on the coin either in combination with the mourning woman, or without her.[8] Andrea Moresino-Zipper contests that in the former case, it is the woman who symbolises the defeated Judaea and the towering, dominating palm stands for victorious Rome, while in the latter case the palm tree does represent Judaea.[8]

An ancient coin design depicting a date palm and two baskets full of dates has been reused for the front side of the modern Israeli ten-shekel coin.

 

[elkhound]

look at this..genetically they found 2 that are close...by crossing this on those they can flush out the 'bad ' dna.

Genetically related cultivars
When compared with three other cultivars of date palm, genetic tests showed the plant to be closely related to the old Egyptian variety Hayani, 19% of its DNA being different, and an Iraqi cultivar (16% different DNA).[17] They may have shared the same wild ancestor.


the iraqi cultivar crossed first time would make it only have 8% different dna in first cross and from there on out the different dna should get less and less

 

[elkhound]

a little more information and a surprise towards end of video...i will tell yall...more of the 2,000 year old seeds have now sprouted but its unknown if the plants are male or female. i so hope they are female so they can pollinate with the male plant they already have and we can get more seeds to really jump start the revival of these dates into production.


from 9-15-19

 

[elkhound]

UPDATE on above info....10-9-21

well unknown to us..they got more to sprout and have 2 females now..produced a crop in 2019 from tree hannah of 100 dates and in 2020 she produced 621 dates. so we now have over 700 fresh date seeds to get trees up and going again. its only going to get better and better.

 

[LadyLocust]

Interesting!

 

[joel]

WOW!

 

[elkhound]

update 8-20-23 i hope the do a more detailed video of the other items that are being grown from old seed that is found,especially the sycamore fig tree.

 

[joel]

About figs:

Figs Were First​

New archaeobotanical evidence pushes the dawn of agriculture back to 11,400 years ago, when humans living in a village eight miles north of ancient Jericho began propagating seedless figs. Ofer Bar-Yosef, professor of anthropology and curator of Paleolithic archaeology at Harvards Peabody Museum, published the findings recently in the journal Science, along with coauthors Mordechai E. Kislev and Anat Hartmann of Bar-Ilan University in Israel.

The figs, nine still whole among more than 300 smaller pieces, were found in the ruins of a burned house at Gilgal 1. The fire permitted reliable dating of the site, and had the further desirable effect—from an archaeologist’s perspective—of carbonizing and preserving the fruits. The figs proved to be a variety that grows only on sterile female trees, which occur occasionally in the wild as a result of genetic mutation. They bear soft, sweet, edible fruit, but cannot reproduce except from shoots, making them an evolutionary dead end. With human intervention, however, stems cut from fig trees and planted in soil will root fairly easily.

Another cache of figs, found 1.5 kilometers away at the Netiv Hagdud site, proved to be the same mutant variety. Humans must have recognized that the fruits do not produce new trees, and fig-tree cultivation became a common practice, says Bar-Yosef. Previously, the domestication of grains and legumes a thousand years later had been considered the earliest evidence of the momentous shift in human history from hunting and gathering to a more sedentary lifestyle.

Because they produce three crops a year, figs made an ideal staple food.
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/200...s the,Jericho began propagating seedless figs.

 

[elkhound]

sycamore fig was among the first to be tended i believe....it was highly prized as it produced fruit year round..often it was called the tree of life because of that. It grows in very few places.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficus_sycomorus

In the Hebrew Bible, the sycomore is referred to seven times (Biblical Hebrew: שִׁקְמָה, romanized: shiqmā; Strong's number 8256) and once in the New Testament (Koinē Greek: συκομoραία, romanized: sykomoraia or συκομορέα sykomorea;[12] Strong's number 4809). It was a popular and valuable fruit tree in Jericho and the wider Land of Canaan.[13][dubious – discuss]

Hebrew Bible

• In the Psalms, sycomores are listed with vines as sources of food destroyed in the plagues inflicted on the Egyptians. Ps 78:47 This verse implies that Ficus sycomorus could not survive in the mountainous regions of Egypt[13] ("He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost." Ps 78:47).
• King David appointed an officer to look after the olives and sycomores of the western foothills. 1Chron 27:28
• King Solomon made cedars (a more valuable tree) as common as sycomores. 1Kings 10:27 = 2Chron 1:15, 2Chron 9:27
• In condemning his people's arrogance the prophet Isaiah also makes a contrast between sycomores and cedars. Isaiah 9:10
• The prophet Amos refers to his secondary occupation as a dresser or tender of sycomores Amos 7:14; this involved slashing the fruits to induce ripening.[4]: 131 

Gospels

• In the Gospel of Luke, Zacchaeus resorted to climbing a sycomore to get a better view of Jesus in Jericho. Luke 19:4

Mishnah and Gemara (Talmud)

• In the Mishnah, in chapter 9 of tractate Shevi'it of order Zera'im, the borders of the various districts of the Land of Israel are delineated. The Upper Galilee is defined as the area north of Kfar Hananya where the sycomore does not grow; the Lower Galilee is the area south of Kfar Hananya where the sycomore does grow.
• Tractate Berakhot of the Gemara mentions sycomore when discussing tithing and its blessing.
• Tractate Pesachim 53a:8 of the Gemara mentions sycomore when identifying geographic regions, in this case, a plain, to determine dates for various purposes.

look how large this specimen is.