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The summer-only-garden is not true here. A number of things can survive all winter here like collard greens, turnips, winter wheat, etc. In fact many of them do best in winter.
Bug Out Bag, Bug out to where?
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Urban Prep, yes, I can walk. I would not expose myself to the risk walking for three days with the weight of three or four days food and water, and a firearm. This highway clogged scenario won't happen where I live for a couple days, or possibly at all in my area. There are plenty of county roads to get out of town. Over a hundred. My city is not that large. I don't live in the Chicago area or any where near it.
Big Paul, grain. There are more cultures on earth that don't eat meat, than there are cultures that eat meat. Not saying I would like it, but supplemented with a little wild game, and garden, a guy could live a long time. I am first to admit, this would not be very healthy. You could supplement with vitamins and protein powder also. We're talking basic survival here. I don't have it in me to be a cannibal.
Big Paul, grain. There are more cultures on earth that don't eat meat, than there are cultures that eat meat. Not saying I would like it, but supplemented with a little wild game, and garden, a guy could live a long time. I am first to admit, this would not be very healthy. You could supplement with vitamins and protein powder also. We're talking basic survival here. I don't have it in me to be a cannibal.
Live trap, the walking question was for YOU to start considering alternate solutions to alternate problems. You are going to drive out-- plan A-- but your vehicle broke down or was stolen, just before the SHTF. Now you are walking (Plan B) or you will have to stay and face the disaster where you are (Plan C). Note: It is harder to box a person on foot in, than it is to box in a vehicle. It is very easy to block a road and there are many reason why local citizens during a SHTF event may want or feel they need to block all your back roads to your brothers place. It is impossible to block all the possible foot paths to any destination.
there is a saying in prepper circles about "rule of 3's", not just about air or water etc, but having more than one type of thing to survive on, I don't think I would want to survive on just one thing. some preppers talk about a prepping "pyramid".
someone who talks about cannibalism and I have come across several who do, has failed as a prepper, same with eating worms and other creepy crawlies.
hunting is down to how good a hunter one is, even the best hunters come back empty handed.
gardens depend on what type of soil you have and how good it is for growing, not all soil types are.
I have given the whole bug out idea a lot of thought, and here in Wichita I can only see a few reasons why I may or may not want to bug out.
#1 Natural disaster like Yellowstone popping off. Depending on which theoretical coverage map you look at, this may or may not affect us here enough to worry about it.
#2 CME causing a major EMP and taking out the entire electrical grid of the US. In this scenario, no matter where you are, if you're close to a larger city, you will probably be screwed once everyone figures out that the just in time deliveries aren't happening anymore. I plan on being gone long before that happens.
#3 An asteroid hits the earth and causes widespread damage in the form of tsunamis and nuclear winter. In this case, you better hope you're far enough away from the strike zone if you plan on any type of survival.
#4 Major earthquake like Cascadia fault line or New Madrid waking up and coming to the party. I really don't see how either of those will affect me to much here in Kansas, other than the influx of refugees from the affected areas.
Now onto manmade disasters.
#1 Economic collapse. At this point in time this seems the most likely thing to happen. In this case I still think it'll be prudent to hunker down and stay home.
#2 Manmade EMP from a nuclear weapon. I seriously don't think that any country is stupid enough to do this to us, but you never know. I always get a little nervous going into winter about this, because if I was going to launch an attack, it would be in the winter time during the middle of the week after 9am Pacific time. Why? Because it would cause the most confusion and casualties. Everyone is at work and school, so getting the kids and spouses rounded up would take more effort than normal, especially if you can't drive from place to place to pick everyone up. If I was going to do it, that's when I'd push the button.
#3 Zombie Apocalypse. Ahh, everyone's favorite. The only way I can see surviving this one is owning an abandoned missile silo that's been refurbished and stocked with 10+ years of food and water. Especially if the zombies are 28 Days Later type of zombies. That movie and it's sequel freaks me out.
Bonus round:
The Second Coming. In this case, hopefully you're on the right side of God, because if you're not, it's gonna be a long hot summer for you.
As a side note, it always cracks me up when I read and hear about people's survival plans for SHTF. I especially love the vehicle recommendations and discussions. Now, I do own an M35A2 Deuce and a half, and I bought it specifically for a bug out vehicle. I hear a lot about buying a mechanical diesel because they're EMP proof, can run on almost any fuel, etc. This is true, but no one ever talks about maintenance on these vehicles. Especially fluids, let alone hard parts. Where are you going to find brake fluid 5 years after SHTF? 10 years? How about new batteries? Brake hoses and calipers/wheel cylinders? Antifreeze? Transmission fluid? Oil for the engine?
Sure, you can make your own fuel, but can you make your own brake fluid? The coolest most awesomest bug out vehicle in the world is only cool until it needs brake fluid, then it's just another rusting carcass on the side of the road. This is why I get a kick out of the Mad Max movies, there's no way those vehicles will be running 10 years after the apocalypse with no AutoZone open on the corner.....
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#1 Natural disaster like Yellowstone popping off. Depending on which theoretical coverage map you look at, this may or may not affect us here enough to worry about it.
#2 CME causing a major EMP and taking out the entire electrical grid of the US. In this scenario, no matter where you are, if you're close to a larger city, you will probably be screwed once everyone figures out that the just in time deliveries aren't happening anymore. I plan on being gone long before that happens.
#3 An asteroid hits the earth and causes widespread damage in the form of tsunamis and nuclear winter. In this case, you better hope you're far enough away from the strike zone if you plan on any type of survival.
#4 Major earthquake like Cascadia fault line or New Madrid waking up and coming to the party. I really don't see how either of those will affect me to much here in Kansas, other than the influx of refugees from the affected areas.
Now onto manmade disasters.
#1 Economic collapse. At this point in time this seems the most likely thing to happen. In this case I still think it'll be prudent to hunker down and stay home.
#2 Manmade EMP from a nuclear weapon. I seriously don't think that any country is stupid enough to do this to us, but you never know. I always get a little nervous going into winter about this, because if I was going to launch an attack, it would be in the winter time during the middle of the week after 9am Pacific time. Why? Because it would cause the most confusion and casualties. Everyone is at work and school, so getting the kids and spouses rounded up would take more effort than normal, especially if you can't drive from place to place to pick everyone up. If I was going to do it, that's when I'd push the button.
#3 Zombie Apocalypse. Ahh, everyone's favorite. The only way I can see surviving this one is owning an abandoned missile silo that's been refurbished and stocked with 10+ years of food and water. Especially if the zombies are 28 Days Later type of zombies. That movie and it's sequel freaks me out.
Bonus round:
The Second Coming. In this case, hopefully you're on the right side of God, because if you're not, it's gonna be a long hot summer for you.
As a side note, it always cracks me up when I read and hear about people's survival plans for SHTF. I especially love the vehicle recommendations and discussions. Now, I do own an M35A2 Deuce and a half, and I bought it specifically for a bug out vehicle. I hear a lot about buying a mechanical diesel because they're EMP proof, can run on almost any fuel, etc. This is true, but no one ever talks about maintenance on these vehicles. Especially fluids, let alone hard parts. Where are you going to find brake fluid 5 years after SHTF? 10 years? How about new batteries? Brake hoses and calipers/wheel cylinders? Antifreeze? Transmission fluid? Oil for the engine?
Sure, you can make your own fuel, but can you make your own brake fluid? The coolest most awesomest bug out vehicle in the world is only cool until it needs brake fluid, then it's just another rusting carcass on the side of the road. This is why I get a kick out of the Mad Max movies, there's no way those vehicles will be running 10 years after the apocalypse with no AutoZone open on the corner.....
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For what its worth to our new friends, I ask you to consider viewing ALL roads after TSHTF and avoid like the plague deathraps, IF you are Bugging IN or OUT you are far more likely to come across big trouble by going near or using roads.
Roads is where the Government / State/ Police will build checkpoints, they may not want to kill you BUT they MAY want to confine you to refugee camps AND ? OR they may relieve you of much of your kit for redistribution to the needy.
Roads are likely to be clogged very quickly with people who get desparate very quickly, running out of fuel will cause traffic chaos, crashes caused by panic, etc. Criminals will use the roads as happy hunting grounds.
To me roads serve only ONE purpose as soon as TSHTF, ONE PURPOSE ONLY. They are NAVIGATION AIDS, you use them to help you navigate to where you want to be by PARALLELING them. IE you walk / cycle / drive / ride along side them at least 200 yards from them NEVER on them.
Use roads, rivers, pipelines, and power pylon lines as nav aids you keep them in sight to help you move in a SAFER manner than you will by using the roads. Natually that wont work everywhere before you bite my head off.
I feel ( opinion) that for a while roads like town and cities will be lethal for the unwary.
Roads is where the Government / State/ Police will build checkpoints, they may not want to kill you BUT they MAY want to confine you to refugee camps AND ? OR they may relieve you of much of your kit for redistribution to the needy.
Roads are likely to be clogged very quickly with people who get desparate very quickly, running out of fuel will cause traffic chaos, crashes caused by panic, etc. Criminals will use the roads as happy hunting grounds.
To me roads serve only ONE purpose as soon as TSHTF, ONE PURPOSE ONLY. They are NAVIGATION AIDS, you use them to help you navigate to where you want to be by PARALLELING them. IE you walk / cycle / drive / ride along side them at least 200 yards from them NEVER on them.
Use roads, rivers, pipelines, and power pylon lines as nav aids you keep them in sight to help you move in a SAFER manner than you will by using the roads. Natually that wont work everywhere before you bite my head off.
I feel ( opinion) that for a while roads like town and cities will be lethal for the unwary.
if you are bugging out avoid places where other people are likely to be like the PLAGUE, roads, towns, railway stations etc.
if there is anything that will bring you danger it will be other people especially in the first few weeks or months post SHTF, human nature will make it so.
if there is anything that will bring you danger it will be other people especially in the first few weeks or months post SHTF, human nature will make it so.
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As a side note, it always cracks me up when I read and hear about people's survival plans for SHTF. I especially love the vehicle recommendations and discussions. Now, I do own an M35A2 Deuce and a half, and I bought it specifically for a bug out vehicle. I hear a lot about buying a mechanical diesel because they're EMP proof, can run on almost any fuel, etc. This is true, but no one ever talks about maintenance on these vehicles. Especially fluids, let alone hard parts. Where are you going to find brake fluid 5 years after SHTF? 10 years? How about new batteries? Brake hoses and calipers/wheel cylinders? Antifreeze? Transmission fluid? Oil for the engine?
Sure, you can make your own fuel, but can you make your own brake fluid? The coolest most awesomest bug out vehicle in the world is only cool until it needs brake fluid, then it's just another rusting carcass on the side of the road. This is why I get a kick out of the Mad Max movies, there's no way those vehicles will be running 10 years after the apocalypse with no AutoZone open on the corner.....
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I can make bio diesel but I can also run my van on Veg oil, and their is a Veg oil plant not a mile from here. And the distributorship for my nissan van is only in the next town. I keep POLs a plenty Cable ties, hose Clips, Fuses, Duct Tape, Brake Pipe kit, Exhaust clamps, Anti Freze, Universal brake fluid, screen wash, fuses, relays etc parts lists and repair manuals etc
You dont need a battery for many diesels they can be jerry rigged to work without them as they are only needed to start the engine, You can fit Air starters to some. Or as I saw overseas they just park on a hill and bump start their trucks
Dunno about the US but in the UK many battery stores dont charge their batteries with acid until they sell. So there are thousands if not millions of batteries in storage that dont decay, you simply have to add the acid to activate them.
As a side note, it always cracks me up when I read and hear about people's survival plans for SHTF. I especially love the vehicle recommendations and discussions. Now, I do own an M35A2 Deuce and a half, and I bought it specifically for a bug out vehicle. I hear a lot about buying a mechanical diesel because they're EMP proof, can run on almost any fuel, etc. This is true, but no one ever talks about maintenance on these vehicles. Especially fluids, let alone hard parts. Where are you going to find brake fluid 5 years after SHTF? 10 years? How about new batteries? Brake hoses and calipers/wheel cylinders? Antifreeze? Transmission fluid? Oil for the engine?
Sure, you can make your own fuel, but can you make your own brake fluid? The coolest most awesomest bug out vehicle in the world is only cool until it needs brake fluid, then it's just another rusting carcass on the side of the road. This is why I get a kick out of the Mad Max movies, there's no way those vehicles will be running 10 years after the apocalypse with no AutoZone open on the corner.....
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I can make bio diesel but I can also run my van on Veg oil, and their is a Veg oil plant not a mile from here. And the distributorship for my nissan van is only in the next town. I keep POLs a plenty Cable ties, hose Clips, Fuses, Duct Tape, Brake Pipe kit, Exhaust clamps, Anti Freze, Universal brake fluid, screen wash, fuses, relays etc parts lists and repair manuals etc
You dont need a battery for many diesels they can be jerry rigged to work without them as they are only needed to start the engine, You can fit Air starters to some. Or as I saw overseas they just park on a hill and bump start their trucks
Dunno about the US but in the UK many battery stores dont charge their batteries with acid until they sell. So there are thousands if not millions of batteries in storage that dont decay, you simply have to add the acid to activate them.unless someone has a warehouse full of spare parts, not just for vehicles but other things as well, at some point there will be an end date, all things are finite, and just how much veg oil can you store? there will be a finite amount of veg oil out there in post SHTF land, just how many fish and chip shops and Chinese take aways are there?
it always amazes me how many people there are who continue to think they can have something like what they have now after the big collapse, welcome to the new "normal" that is nothing like anybody alive has ever known before.
better to use what we have to get to a place where we can live without it when it no longer functions.
it always amazes me how many people there are who continue to think they can have something like what they have now after the big collapse, welcome to the new "normal" that is nothing like anybody alive has ever known before.
better to use what we have to get to a place where we can live without it when it no longer functions.
The ONLY thing that will be the same 10 years after SHTF as compared to now is that there will still be idiots to piss me off.
Everything else will change, drastically.
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Everything else will change, drastically.
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yeah but there will be less of them, about 95% less.
That's an optimistic number, stupid people have a way of surviving by sheer luck.
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its the usual % that is normally accepted in prepping circles.
stupid people without skills, knowledge or any supplies will run out of luck early on during SHTF.
Well, like the Joker says
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Ever noticed how a major traffic accident happens? Goes kinda like this:: the poor family was hit head-on by a drunk driver with 2.4 blood alcohol content. The mother and father died on the scene, both children are in the hospital in the ICU and in sedated comas. The Fu****G drunk had a fat Mercedes and is suffering a headache and two broken teeth from eating the steering wheel...
The same drunk driver will be the one to survive SHTF cause he was in the McDrive when the bomb fell and a 16 yr. old helped him inside and knew how to cook.
Stay away from MickyDees EricB...he's there and just waiting to piss you off! GP
The same drunk driver will be the one to survive SHTF cause he was in the McDrive when the bomb fell and a 16 yr. old helped him inside and knew how to cook.
Stay away from MickyDees EricB...he's there and just waiting to piss you off! GP
I don't eat that crap food anyway.
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no me neither.
You won't be alone for very long. Mexico City has twice the population of Los Angeles. They will be the first. Then Chinese will come. Then Russians will come. If only 5-10% of the U.S. population survives, we will not be a world power, or a world consumer. The U.S. will no longer be "useful" to the Europeans and China from an economic standpoint. We will once again be the frontier. If it is a world wide apocalypse, then the invasion will only be refugees from the south. If it is localized to the U.S., then the whole world will come. Power will be restored. Claims will be made to the land. Possibly WW3 over who takes control of what territory. Early on, England and France may set up some posts here claiming to protect us, and then they will begin importing population, just like they did 350 years ago.
And at this point I lost all interest in the mass hysteria.
Gettin' pretty doomy and gloomy, isn't it?
Well, at least we're not eating McDonald's....
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Yeah, I hate McDonald’s too... least favorite of the fast food chains.
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I do like a good Chick-Fil-A sandwich with a real lemonade. Their lemonade is freshly squeezed. They have great cleanliness and hygiene policies .
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Donuts are terrible for you too. My mom used to make homemade ones that were tasty though
