It varies depending on who is defining it, but 1964 to 1981 is a pretty common range.
Baby Boomers = 1946-1964
Gen X = 1964-1981
Millenials = 1981-1996
Gen Z = 1996-2011
Do "YOU" grasp the significance of "The fourth Turning"..??
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Baby Boomers = 1946-1964
Gen X = 1964-1981
Millenials = 1981-1996
Gen Z = 1996-2011
The 4th turning is the HELTER SKELTER I've been going on about for the last few years. somebody just slapped a fluufy kitty new age name on it is all. it is the END of nanny-ism, woke-ism, and pretty much ALL the snowflakes hold dear, at its end comes the shield of darkness when mankind will have to examine just what it believes and why, those who survive the mental trauma of being shown everything they held dear and factual was in fact parasitic garbage placed there to hold mankind back will enter the golden age of self-responsibility and spiritual peace and true spiritual understanding and communion with the divine. now realize the divine is NOT your sugar daddy, but it will help those who can't help themselves, I'm afraid a new color TV, hot girlfriend/boyfriend or LOTTO numbers aren't on the list, but hey, at that point we won't care about trivia!
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Since each generation spans about 20 years the attributes of the generation are generalities. The earliest Boomers were listening to Elvis Presley when I was being born.
My granddaughters are among those that will ride out this Fourth Turning and enjoy the next First Turning. Based on my parents life spans, I will be passing my expiration date near the middle of this Fourth Turning.
But that expectation is like the demographics that the four turnings are based on are statistics that are valid for groups but tell us nothing about specific individuals in those groups.
Ben
I believe that we are going downhill at the moment. I don't really care if someone calls it The Fourth Turning, or The New World Order, or The Great Reset, or whatever prophecy du jour they subscribe to.
I also believe that things will flip and we will be going uphill in the future. Then sometime after that, downhill again. Then uphill. That is the nature of our world.
I also believe that things will flip and we will be going uphill in the future. Then sometime after that, downhill again. Then uphill. That is the nature of our world.
" prophecy du jour " I'm stealing that!
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Not split hairs...
Fourth Turnings are repeated patterns while the "Great Reset" is the name of a specific fourth turning.
Re: downhill again. Then uphill...
That is exactly what the authors of the book were predicting in the book.
Ben
One of the things I have never seen mentioned. It would be very interesting (to me anyway) to see a bar-chart showing each of the last three or four turning monumental event, with the estimated world population at that point. And the fatalities of that event.
I am sure it builds very fast, with WW-II estimated to have resulted in 66 million dead. Which if one extended the lines, might indicate near a "BILLION" or more deaths this coming event.
I am sure it builds very fast, with WW-II estimated to have resulted in 66 million dead. Which if one extended the lines, might indicate near a "BILLION" or more deaths this coming event.
There's a difference though. The Greatest Generation fought that war. Can you imagine Gen Z being faced with that challenge and rising to the occasion?
They need a safe space and a puppy whenever their feelings get hurt. And I have no confidence that their children will be better...
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Makes one wonder how "The Greatest Generation" were viewed by their elders doesn't it.
I reported the story elsewhere but...
My granddaughter was being harassed by bullies because of her weight. Her friend got up and beat the crap out of the bully. The friend got suspended and her parents had to come pick her up from school. On the way home her parents bought her ice cream as a reward.
We never know about people until they are tested.
Ben
I don't think there's much to wonder about. Gen Z are overwhelmingly liberal and soft. The greatest generation were brought up during the Depression, and it would be difficult to call them soft. Regardless of the few individuals of Gen Z who may rise to greatness, as a collective they will be the generation to swing this country over to becoming a second rate socialist has been - because that is what they overwhelmingly want.
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They skipped a generation in between boomers and millennials...typical
We are not important....
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Husband and me are gen x, kids are millenials
yes we are....we are last with certain skills ! old school skills !
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Fair enough. Two points please.
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Only 11-15% of the male population served in WWII. I also understand only 10% fought in the revolutionary war. The greatest are not the majority but rather the minority.
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The president prior to WWII and through most of it was FDR who was one of the most progressive (up there with Wilson, LBJ and soon to be O'Biden). That reflects on the attitude of the population at that time. The decadence record in the documentary Cabaret.
Is not far off from today and looked back on as...
Are there 10%?
You tell me.
Thank you
Ben
You have to go easy lumping people in with their "generation, Hashbrowns son and my son definately don't fit the descriptions, probably lots more kids that are cut from sterner stuff, in fact I find the border "millenials" to be a lot more robust than the middle ones, perhaps a look at the chinese zodiac birth year would give a better explanation. I am on the border between boomer and X, but I spent my first 6 years in some pretty rugged conditions, Didn't know it them, and am really thankful for the experience now.
Our boys are not the norm sadly.
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True.
But I like your bully/ice cream story, Ben. I would of done the same.
Alot of the boys in our area are taught to work hard. They finish 8th grade then are expected to work or do an apprentice with a local business. The girls work at home first, learn to manage a household. Rumspringa. The twins are absolutely going through an english version of it right now. Moving here has helped them, though. They would still be wussies back in Albuquerque.
But I like your bully/ice cream story, Ben. I would of done the same.
Alot of the boys in our area are taught to work hard. They finish 8th grade then are expected to work or do an apprentice with a local business. The girls work at home first, learn to manage a household. Rumspringa. The twins are absolutely going through an english version of it right now. Moving here has helped them, though. They would still be wussies back in Albuquerque.
Only 11-15% of the male population may have served in WW2, but...about half of the greatest generation did. Remember that the greatest generation were the young men at that time. And those that didn't, were generally unable or were involved in work that was essential to the war effort like agriculture. Even the women of that generation got in on the act.
Yes, FDR was progressive, to a fault. And he could be called socialist, or neo socialist. What he actually wanted to be, was a dictator and socialist policy was a means to that end. Even his own party had to put the clamps on him at times. What was liberal then, is almost conservative now. People voted for him because they actually didn't have enough to eat. He promised to put people to work, and he did it. It was all government spending but he did follow through. Gen Z isn't hungry. If a president told them he'd get them jobs, they either wouldn't show up or they'd demand 80 thousand to work part time digging a ditch.
We can hardly keep them on the railroad. They quit. Especially the young white kids. They can't handle a job that doesn't cater to them and that requires effort and sacrifice. You know which gen z kids do succeed with us? The Hispanic kids. They're much more willing to do what it takes. Maybe they're hungrier, so to speak. I don't know.
I have 8 nieces and nephews. They are all gen z or very late Millenials, which is more or less the same as gen z. Only one has gotten caught up in the gen z crap. I fear my daughter is falling into it even though her mother and I are trying to teach her to harden up. We just can't control what she is learning from the rest of the world, which is that everything my generation and the boomer generation stands for is wrong.
Yes, FDR was progressive, to a fault. And he could be called socialist, or neo socialist. What he actually wanted to be, was a dictator and socialist policy was a means to that end. Even his own party had to put the clamps on him at times. What was liberal then, is almost conservative now. People voted for him because they actually didn't have enough to eat. He promised to put people to work, and he did it. It was all government spending but he did follow through. Gen Z isn't hungry. If a president told them he'd get them jobs, they either wouldn't show up or they'd demand 80 thousand to work part time digging a ditch.
We can hardly keep them on the railroad. They quit. Especially the young white kids. They can't handle a job that doesn't cater to them and that requires effort and sacrifice. You know which gen z kids do succeed with us? The Hispanic kids. They're much more willing to do what it takes. Maybe they're hungrier, so to speak. I don't know.
I have 8 nieces and nephews. They are all gen z or very late Millenials, which is more or less the same as gen z. Only one has gotten caught up in the gen z crap. I fear my daughter is falling into it even though her mother and I are trying to teach her to harden up. We just can't control what she is learning from the rest of the world, which is that everything my generation and the boomer generation stands for is wrong.
I have found that gen z in the rural Midwest is much different than gen z in urban areas or out west. We do get young kids on the railroad, occasionally, from farm towns in Wisconsin or from ranches in Nebraska, or logging towns in Idaho. They almost always hold their own. But kids from Oregon or California, from Denver or Chicago or Kansas City, generally don't make it.
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The Albuquerque kids couldn't make it either, trust me. And most are hispanic. The twins friends there had absolutely no responsibilities at home. One friend in particular (of my grandsons) would come home from school, change into his pj's right away, sit in his special video chair, while he was brought food and drink. He was incapable of anything. Granddaughter's friends seemed to be always on the edge of depression, especially when covid hit. They all needed shrinks. And the school was teaching them all to be gay, or at least bi. They had 90 percent of the school believing that they were.
The whole LGBT thing is in my daughter's school too. It's mostly girls who "identify as Bi". Another big thing is being "Non Binary". I find that even more confusing than sexual orientation, because a kid wanting to experiment with sexuality is at least understandable on some level. Being offended by a pronoun that identifies a person according to the body parts he or she actually possesses, kind of blows my mind.
I've always wondered why the LGBTQRFZ+ crowd doesn't kick out the B's. Doesn't the B stand for "Bisexual"? As in "Two-sexual"? As in "there are only two to choose from"? So why are they allowed to stay in the group, and with such a prominent third-string listing? I say, "Kick the B's out! They are traitors to the cause!"
I think bisexuals are just greedy.
Or, maybe they're just playing the odds. After all, they have twice as large of a dating pool to choose from...
At least the B's are partially normal. Half normal, to be exact.
Just joking around here. I understand, and have no problem with, the L's, G's and B's. I have friends in these first three letters (not sure if the B is actually a B, or just an undeclared L). But once you get further along in the group's alphabet list, you start crossing into the mental illness realm.
Just joking around here. I understand, and have no problem with, the L's, G's and B's. I have friends in these first three letters (not sure if the B is actually a B, or just an undeclared L). But once you get further along in the group's alphabet list, you start crossing into the mental illness realm.Many boys were drafted for these wars.
Until the lead starts to fly it's hard to say who is great and who is not.
My grand father was in the trenches in France and my father was at the bulge.
I don't think either one felt they were special or great.
This idea of greatness is a trumped up take on just doing your duty.
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It’s a shame how many parents are willing to allow their kids to be abused by the public school system nowadays. The adult world is not going to be kind to them.
