Drug deaths, guess?

[Maverick]

As far as cannabis goes I don't care if one smokes it or not, I just don't want it around me or the property but as far as it being harmful, no worse than cigarettes and spirits. As long as the Feds keep it illegal I don't want it on the property, In the Feds eyes cannabis and firearms in the vicinity of one another isn't a good thing. I have too much invested in my life for the Feds to get an attitude with me.

I will say this, I've seen a whole lot of attitudes from folks that didn't get their nicotine fix Vs the ones that only smoked cannabis, that their tells me cigarettes have a far greater impact of bringing out Mr Hyde.

"Now the state of Colorado has offered up its answer. Under House Bill 1114, the answer is five nanograms. If a blood screen detects five or more nanograms of THC (that's delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis) per milliliter of blood in a person's bloodstream, that individual is considered legally under the influence of drugs. Washington has also set its intoxication limit at five nanograms per milliliter.

But the question is not that simple. What is marijuana impairment -- what constitutes being "too high" to drive -- and how can we scientifically evaluate it, particularly in a law enforcement context? Moreover, how can police officers test for it conclusively at the roadside, where blood tests aren't available? How lawmakers define and answer these questions will have a lot to do with marijuana policy in the U.S. going forward, and unfortunately the body of science describing marijuana's effects on the brain and body -- though vast -- isn't exactly bound by broad consensus. Five nanograms per milliliter is a place for policy to start, but it's by no means the last word determining how high is too high."

https://www.popsci.com/science/arti...tates-how-will-police-regulate-stoned-driving

 

[DrHenley]

But, drunks and chronic smokers are OK, because hey, those are legal...right? So much safer than a naturally growing plant, right?

Smoke is smoke, no matter which plant you get it from. (tobacco is a plant too you know)

Now, cigarettes have something added that probably contributes. I can smoke Virginia Red Cake tobacco in a pipe, or even get it second hand from someone else, and I have no reaction. But if I get just a slight whiff of someone smoking a cigarette I have an allergic reaction. Burning grass (both lawn grass and MJ) bothers me a little.

 

[Gazrok]

will say this, I've seen a whole lot of attitudes from folks that didn't get their nicotine fix Vs the ones that only smoked cannabis, that their tells me cigarettes have a far greater impact of bringing out Mr Hyde.

So far, 100% of those I know who use MJ and have also smoked cigarettes, totally agree.

Here's the thing...and why I'm so passionate on this. My wife is a chronic pain patient. The doctor prescribed drugs she has to take each day, just to get up and go to work....destroy her appetite and make her nauseous. A friend (who was going through chemo for cancer) suggested Cannabis. Just a couple of tokes before dinner, and she can actually eat food without nausea. So yeah, I think the demonization of this plant is absolutely ridiculous (even her docs said they can't "officially" recommend it, but did on the down low).

 

[Maverick]

Cannabis was political in the late 1930 as it was in the early 1970s and remains so today and the only reason it was totally banned in the early 70s was that the Supreme Court found the tax on cannabis illegal. Cannabis was in many medications in the US late 18oos and the early 20th century till the Feds got a corncob stuck up it's ass!

 

[user 7704]

My 84 year old mother has glaucoma and macular degeneration. So I'm for anything to keep her happy and the pressure down in her eyes. It is funny to watch though. I always hated the stuff though. I could stay in bed all day.

 

[Maverick]

I can smoke Virginia Red Cake tobacco in a pipe

Being a fan of pipe smoking I never tried Virginia Red Cake I know McClelland (McClelland tobacco fan here) is one of the ones that make Virginia Red Cake, may have to try it. Currently smoking Matured Virginia no. 24, Dark Star and 7 Seas Royal

 

[DrHenley]

McClelland #5100 Red Cake. Some don't like it because they think it's too bland but I love it. If and when I take up pipe smoking again that will be the main tobacco. Then I'll spice it up occasionally with some Perique.

The biggest problem I had with the McClelland Red Cake was that it will burn out a pipe in no time if you're not careful. I ruined my favorite pipe with it.

It does need aging.

 

[Gazrok]

Just seems that with every new law concerning even prescription drugs....I'm made to feel like a damn criminal and drug dealer every time I go to the pharmacy.

She's prescribed Oxycontin even as a breakthrough pain med, and yet 9 times out of 10, I can never get it filled anywhere, because there are strict limits on how much a pharmacy can have....so they are always out. (Often, I've tried 6 different ones that day, and ALL are out of it....so at this point, we've given up, and the doc scolds us, and all we can say is....well doc, tell me where we can fill it, and we'll be glad to.) Luckily, she rarely needs it...but when she does, she basically just has to grin and bear it through the pain (or miss work, etc.).

Just sick of it.

If idiots want to OD and take crap they shouldn't be, I say let 'em. Let 'em screw themselves up. We spend way too much time and effort on it, and for what? Nothing.

 

[Maverick]

Just seems that with every new law concerning even prescription drugs....I'm made to feel like a damn criminal and drug dealer every time I go to the pharmacy.

She's prescribed Oxycontin even as a breakthrough pain med, and yet 9 times out of 10, I can never get it filled anywhere, because there are strict limits on how much a pharmacy can have....so they are always out. (Often, I've tried 6 different ones that day, and ALL are out of it....so at this point, we've given up, and the doc scolds us, and all we can say is....well doc, tell me where we can fill it, and we'll be glad to.) Luckily, she rarely needs it...but when she does, she basically just has to grin and bear it through the pain (or miss work, etc.).

Just sick of it.

If idiots want to OD and take crap they shouldn't be, I say let 'em. Let 'em screw themselves up. We spend way too much time and effort on it, and for what? Nothing.

And its going to get worse Gaz, the US is issuing an order to reduce the availability of all opioids and only giving pharmacies a limited number of prescription that can be filled.

 

[Gazrok]

I know, I know. Bottom line, I'm going to do right by my wife. I just hate it that they keep making it harder for those who are LAWFULLY medicating, just to get a bunch of pillheads. (when all it will do for them, is jack the price, and increase crime to pay for it)....

Oh, and opiod scripts are only going to be good for 3 DAYS instead of a MONTH. So I'm basically going to now have 3 DAYS only to try and find a pharmacy to fill them. Lovely. (I think that's just a FL thing though). You can bet I'm not voting for any idiot who put his stamp on that nonsense.

 

[TexasFreedom]

I know, I know. Bottom line, I'm going to do right by my wife. I just hate it that they keep making it harder for those who are LAWFULLY medicating, just to get a bunch of pillheads. (when all it will do for them, is jack the price, and increase crime to pay for it)....

Oh, and opiod scripts are only going to be good for 3 DAYS instead of a MONTH. So I'm basically going to now have 3 DAYS only to try and find a pharmacy to fill them. Lovely. (I think that's just a FL thing though). You can bet I'm not voting for any idiot who put his stamp on that nonsense.

Gazrok,

I'm with you here. I've got family facing the same time issue, I think it's 1 week in Texas. More hassles, more waste of time.

For the weed, I can understand where your wife is at. It does help many people with real medical needs. Note my post earlier, have the drugs and keep it and it's affects at your home. No problem. She gets the help she needs, I don't worry about her breaking into my house to steal to fund her MJ needs or killing my wife while driving under the influence. Would you agree with that approach?

 

[user 7704]

Just seems that with every new law concerning even prescription drugs....I'm made to feel like a damn criminal and drug dealer every time I go to the pharmacy.

She's prescribed Oxycontin even as a breakthrough pain med, and yet 9 times out of 10, I can never get it filled anywhere, because there are strict limits on how much a pharmacy can have....so they are always out. (Often, I've tried 6 different ones that day, and ALL are out of it....so at this point, we've given up, and the doc scolds us, and all we can say is....well doc, tell me where we can fill it, and we'll be glad to.) Luckily, she rarely needs it...but when she does, she basically just has to grin and bear it through the pain (or miss work, etc.).

Just sick of it.

If idiots want to OD and take crap they shouldn't be, I say let 'em. Let 'em screw themselves up. We spend way too much time and effort on it, and for what? Nothing.

Yes, a few idiots make it so hard for people who actually need the medication. Plus, if you take it on a regular schedule and that is disrupted, I've heard that detoxing is hell.

 

[Gazrok]

I don't worry about her breaking into my house to steal to fund her MJ needs or killing my wife while driving under the influence. Would you agree with that approach?

You are thinking of way different drugs for that.

Weed is far more harmless than alcohol (a legal drug). Legalizing it for recreational use, will likely instead keep folks off harder drugs, so there simply aren't as many crackheads or meth heads, to break in or drive high.