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The Lazy L

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You have no work experience and you have jumped on the $15 a hour band wagon? Below is a picture I took of who McDonald's hired instead of you. Never late, never complains, not lazy and zero scheduling problems.


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a Mcdonald's 20+ miles away updated the place within the last 3 years.in which that includes those in the pic.and a Customer is lucky to find someone at the only register in the place..i don't like that.i want a real human to take my order not some calculator
 
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A very good friend who owned a small manufacturing company kept a sign in his office. This goes back over thirty years.

" The manufacturing plant of the future will have two things; a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to make sure the man doesn't touch the machines."
 
It doesn't take a genius or an advanced robot to flip a hamburger patty. I worked at a burger place when I was 13 and I made something like $3/hr. The work was fast paced but easy. It's an entry level job to teach you the basics of work and give you some spending money. Those jobs are NOT meant to support an adult or a family. The work they do is not worth $15/hr. So if people demand $15, it becomes cheaper to buy the robot, if they are okay with $10/hr they will continue to have jobs.

By the way when my oldest boy orders fast food he does so on his phone when he enters the drive-thru. When he gets to the window it has already been paid for, prepared, and bagged. The only exchange with a human is when one hands him his food.
 
This is what happens when you have idiots in a State House who have no clue how a business operates. They pass an idiotic law so they can pat each other on the back, and puff up their chests telling everybody what a great job they are doing.

Labor is an expense. There isn't a business on the planet that doesn't have to manage and control its expenses. If your expenses are to high you will not be competitive, or you will lose money. In either case your business won't last for long. If I am Joe the Plumber, small business owner, I have budgeted $50.00 and hour for labor. I can pay five people $10.00/hour and I will be competitive. If you force me to pay $15.00/hour then two people will get fired. The business will not afford $75.00 and hour for labor. Why people don't understand this is beyond me.
 
:I agree:.
People are quickly learning that lesson.
Any entry-level, low skill job that can be automated will be gone just as soon as someone comes up with a machine that can do the job. The list of jobs that will become obsolete is long and will be longer every year.
I wonder how many jobs have already been lost due to automation.
That's why there is a big push for self-driving vehicles. As soon as the technology is advanced enough long haul truck drivers will be a thing of the past.
 
:I agree:.
People are quickly learning that lesson.
Any entry-level, low skill job that can be automated will be gone just as soon as someone comes up with a machine that can do the job. The list of jobs that will become obsolete is long and will be longer every year.
I wonder how many jobs have already been lost due to automation.
That's why there is a big push for self-driving vehicles. As soon as the technology is advanced enough long haul truck drivers will be a thing of the past.

I might be wrong, but wasn't it the automotive industry that pioneered robotics on a large scale? Seems like they started back in the '70's. I would like to see numbers on how many assembly line jobs have been replaced by robots.
 
I work in automation. It's not uncommon for one of our systems to allow an employer to increase pick rates by 150 to 300%, thereby requiring fewer pickers.

Automation is a fact of life these days. Companies are turning to automation to increase productivity and save money. When times are tough, automation helps cut labor costs. When times are good, automation helps improve productivity.

Entry level jobs will soon require more than just a willingness to learn, and inefficiency/poor attitudes will not be tolerated.
 
It doesn't take a genius or an advanced robot to flip a hamburger patty. I worked at a burger place when I was 13 and I made something like $3/hr. The work was fast paced but easy. It's an entry level job to teach you the basics of work and give you some spending money. Those jobs are NOT meant to support an adult or a family. The work they do is not worth $15/hr. So if people demand $15, it becomes cheaper to buy the robot, if they are okay with $10/hr they will continue to have jobs.

By the way when my oldest boy orders fast food he does so on his phone when he enters the drive-thru. When he gets to the window it has already been paid for, prepared, and bagged. The only exchange with a human is when one hands him his food.
I always thought of it as work for h.s. or maybe even college students.

Maybe you have to grow up in a family that has taught you that and to know that it is an entry level job and not a career choice, OR be smart enough to figure that out yourself. How about all the people who didn't have the focus or ability to graduate from h.s.? These are probably the career fast food folks, not smart enough to figure it out. In no way am I defending them, just saying.

How many of you, us, would find satisfaction in working in a Mickey Dees as a career choice? Yuck! I always knew that that kind of work was not for me.
 
Who I see working in the local McDonald's, except for managerial types, is teenagers in (probably) their first real jobs, and 30-50-aged women in what I'm guessing are mostly make-up-the-difference jobs, that get the family above subsistence level. It may be those make-up-the-difference jobs that robots will take over - for awhile, before the world burns.
 
We have a small business - @Morgan101 is on the right track except if you are paying $50/hr to employees, the employer is actually charged about $75/hr because he/she gets to pay extra "special" taxes. Minimum wage was not meant to be a living wage. It was brought into effect so that kids couldn't be taken advantage of. Our labor laws are now such that it is extremely difficult to hire anyone under the age of 18. They can stay out playing sports endless hours per week or better yet video games, but they aren't allowed to work. If we want to stop or detour robots, we need to nix a good portion of the child labor laws, drop minimum wage to something of apprentice level and actually teach in our schools so that upon graduation, they actually have some resemblance of an adult. If one waits until a child is 18 to teach them how to work, it's probably too late in most cases.
 
PS It's been years since I even stepped foot in McD's. It's not actually food. Hubby has a schoolmate who's job it is/was to chemically formulate the French fries to make them more addictive - scary!

So true! They have messed with our food for several decades now LadyL. It 's all about big biz and money. Remember PINK SLIME?. Now the Frankinfools want to use us for compoast. :ghostly:.
I feel realy afraid for our youth.
 
I might be wrong, but wasn't it the automotive industry that pioneered robotics on a large scale? Seems like they started back in the '70's. I would like to see numbers on how many assembly line jobs have been replaced by robots.

YES it was. I worked on the line at GM in early 1970s by 80s they were already replacing us with machines then ROBOTS.
AI is the beginning of the end of humans.

Somebody needs to stop this crappla and send that damn monster maker Musk to the moon on on one of his own rockets..:eyeballs:
 
We have a small business - @Morgan101 is on the right track except if you are paying $50/hr to employees, the employer is actually charged about $75/hr because he/she gets to pay extra "special" taxes.
Exactly right. If you have employees who are in a high risk job, it is even more expensive. Work comp rates are extremely high for specialty drivers and some factory workers, sometimes up to 20% of their regular wage or more. When you add benefits like uniforms, life or health insurance, vacation time, IRA, etc. on top of payroll taxes and unemployment insurance, it is very expensive to have employees.

The people who push for that $15 minimum wage also seem to be the first ones to biotch when the price of the food goes up. Clearly these people have no idea how to do basic math.

PS It's been years since I even stepped foot in McD's. It's not actually food. Hubby has a schoolmate who's job it is/was to chemically formulate the French fries to make them more addictive - scary!

More addictive!:eek: I LOVE McD fries. I allow myself to splurge on them maybe once a month or so. I notice the day after I eat them when I workout, I can smell that "fried food" scent in my sweat. I can't imagine what eating that stuff on a regular basis must do to your body.:confused:
 
Average "work year" is 2,000 hours x $15 = $30,000. You reckon a high school dropout druggie with an IQ of around 80 who has no experience at anything except disrupting the classroom is worth $30,000??? Bet employers shed entry level jobs like my dog sheds hair in the Spring!!
 
Average "work year" is 2,000 hours x $15 = $30,000. You reckon a high school dropout druggie with an IQ of around 80 who has no experience at anything except disrupting the classroom is worth $30,000??? Bet employers shed entry level jobs like my dog sheds hair in the Spring!!

Well some of them are females and have kids that drop out low IQ imbecile druggy left them,so it does cut off a tiny bit of welfare.:dunno:
 
Saw my family at Christmas. my brother bought his girlfriend, her daughter & son in law.
My son ask him what he did for a living? the answer was" Nothing much, that he had a career as a general labor.
I away thought general labor is what you did until someone noticed you & gave you a chance to learn a skill.
What am I missing?!??
 
Saw my family at Christmas. my brother bought his girlfriend, her daughter & son in law.
My son ask him what he did for a living? the answer was" Nothing much, that he had a career as a general labor.
I away thought general labor is what you did until someone noticed you & gave you a chance to learn a skill.
What am I missing?!??
A temporary hire who does his 'general labor' job with focus and skill is worth a permanent hire.
 
Some people are not capable of more than general labor or entry-level jobs. I respect anyone that has a job and tries to do it to the best of their ability.
Public assistance is not a career.
I agree that it is better than living on snap, but the fact that he has no wish to learn a skill, skill is what earns you $25.00, $35.00, $65.00 an hour.
The boss pays for what you can do for him, not how many children or what your believe system is. Capitalism at its best.
I have never met so many men who want top pay without top skill in my whole life, as I have in the in the last ten years .
They do not want to work for the man, they want the man to work for them. Socialism at its best.
 
For those who think it's too expensive to develop a robot that can reliably flip a burger, thus the burger flipper job is protected - what's going to happen when they realize that burgers don't have to be flipped? An automated George Foreman grill would do things nicely, and so would a metal conveyor belt that runs through a two-sided heating oven (like sandwich delis use). People should be very careful demanding higher pay when they fall into the zero skills, zero brains category (I hate to say that, but that's exactly what a burger flipper job requires). Nothing wrong with burger flippers, God bless 'em, but you gotta sets your sights a little higher if you want to support a family. Demanding higher pay that is not supported by the level of skill you are offering will not work out in the end.
 
A temporary hire who does his 'general labor' job with focus and skill is worth a permanent hire.

The person you are describing will move up, the person I am describing has no skill & will not try, doing just enough to keep his job.
 
For those who think it's too expensive to develop a robot that can reliably flip a burger, thus the burger flipper job is protected - what's going to happen when they realize that burgers don't have to be flipped? An automated George Foreman grill would do things nicely, and so would a metal conveyor belt that runs through a two-sided heating oven (like sandwich delis use). People should be very careful demanding higher pay when they fall into the zero skills, zero brains category (I hate to say that, but that's exactly what a burger flipper job requires). Nothing wrong with burger flippers, God bless 'em, but you gotta sets your sights a little higher if you want to support a family. Demanding higher pay that is not supported by the level of skill you are offering will not work out in the end.


Correct but then at least 'for now' the burger flippers and fied fryers have IDs and most are Americans.
 
Correct but then at least 'for now' the burger flippers and fied fryers have IDs and most are Americans.
Not around here. I went into a Wendy's several months back, and although there were about half a dozen employees milling around behind the counter, I had to wait until they could go get the one who spoke English to take my order. They could have been American citizens. Non-English-speaking American citizens. The entire group. I'm sure that must have been the case. :( Chances are, they worked harder than, were more reliable than, and weren't screaming for $15 per hour like the ones we're talking about in this thread however. Doesn't mean I agree with their illegal presence, but it serves to illustrate just how low-skilled and easily replaceable the ones demanding $15 per hour are. If you can train someone to do your job without even speaking the same language they do, well, your job just isn't that complex or in need of skill/experience/knowledge to justify a high wage.

They say the squeaky wheel gets the grease. But sometimes it just gets replaced...
 

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