I will say at least for now, I've stopped ordering the bulk stuff online from places like 4 patriots, etc..the shipping costs on top of the food costs (even when they say big sale) are too much for my pocket book tight now....last heirloom seeds I ordered from there, I about had a heart attack over the shipping cost for a small bag of variety seeds. No seeds even sprouted from them so far that I planted. I haven't chanced the rest yet. I've gone to buying stuff in bulk, as much veggies and fruits as I can and meats in bulk for canning, vacuum sealing, and dehydrating. Freeze dryer is on my list but other things are more of a priority right now. I will look at mountain house though oddcaliber! Only because you said is very good!