- Oct 20, 2020
I'm guessing like most people you are confusing sieving, with filtering and so totally misunderstanding how masks work.A cotton mask is as good at stopping the virus as a chain link fence is at stopping mosquitoes.
Even forgetting medical uses for the moment....we have been happily using air filters, water filters, oil filters etc all our lives....until suddenly we get a pandemic and people suddenly stop believing in the very idea of filtration.The medical world has been wearing those masks for what.....a century or so........do people really think that those same masks "don't do anything"?
Unless I was taught wrong in nursing school, that's not what surgical masks are/were intended to do. The surgical masks were intended to prevent large particles (like hairs, dry skin, nasal particles) from dropping into a sterile field. It's the same reason the surgical team wears caps and beard shields for the men. Wearing them in absence of a sterile field doesn't do much good, especially when some people who wear them still don't wash their hands after going to the bathroom or before eating. I'm just saying.....there are more important things folks can do such as hand washing and concentrating on not touching their face to prevent getting sick.Who hasn't seen real life doctors and nurses in operating rooms wearing those "cheap surgical masks", mostly to prevent them from exposing the patients to things the medical team breathe out?
Yes, and since I have joined the 'herd', you have to ask yourself just how effective my mask needs to be.At the end of the day I guess you have to decide for yourself how fearful you are going to be of this virus. If an N95 makes you feel safer, then go for it.
Me, and my wife have been fit tested...and I have this weird hobby where I stock up on things like n95s so I had them from day one..
Now.....how many people have you seen wear these masks correctly?
I would trust what your doctor - who is very familiar with your specific case right now - 100x more than I would trust anything "someone on the internet told me". No matter how well intentioned that internet advice may be.Any opinions?
Your experience mirrors one of my friends almost exactly. Age, heavy O2, and everything. He has refused to get the vaccine after his hospitalization, depending completely on his natural immunity from having had covid. Except he is now eight months post-hospital. Still on oxygen, still unable to take more than a few steps without having to stop and rest and huff and puff to bring his O2 sat back up out of the low 80's. He is a slave to his pulse ox. Stairs are out. As is any place without hand holds to keep him upright while "wall walking". He needs places to rest every few feet, and friends to carry his things. He can't make it from the handicapped parking space to the door of the store, let alone go inside and walk around shopping. His life is reduced to sitting in a chair now. The 15 foot trek to the bathroom just about takes him down. I have no idea how he makes it to his bed at night - that has got to be at least 30 feet. Him moving from chair to chair is about as tough as one of us climbing Mt. Everest. I can't imagine he could live through another bout with covid, or much any sickness for that matter, but the decision to refuse vaccination is his to make.I spent almost two weeks sick in bed at home before going to the hospital. I was diagnosed with Covid Pneumonia and spent three weeks under heavy oxygen 24/7. I am home now with oxygen. I am a crusty SOB, 74 years old
So, we will live in fear, and wear masks... forever?The thing to remember is that if 'natural immunity' worked 100%, so would the vaccine....which it doesn't. The very unfortunate fact is, covid immunity isn't complete, and is not long lasting either way you get it.
Most likely, we won't wear masks and won't live in very much fear, we will just live shorter, sicker lives than we did before 2019. Its like living in the aftermath of nuclear war that doubled cancer rates. Not so many people die that it changes how people live, it just means on average, life is that much worse. The stats work out to about 10% more total death in the world, at current rates.So, we will live in fear, and wear masks... forever?
...Because some people aren't protected either way?
Same, and yes, ultimately futile, as are all things. But we do what we can, because again, every day your alive, is another day that perhaps the fight is no longer futile. Its like playing musical chairs. Everyone has the same, bad, odds, except for the people who don't even play, who have it worse.There is a crap-ton of stuff that I am not immune to, that could kill me. I am not looking to die, but I'm not going to go into hiding to prevent it either. Attempting such would be ultimately futile anyway.
Yep - a key detail about coronaviruses at the start was this:The thing to remember is that if 'natural immunity' worked 100%, so would the vaccine....which it doesn't. The very unfortunate fact is, covid immunity isn't complete, and is not long lasting either way you get it.
I thought the same thing when I first heard of it. "Oh, it's going to be like SARS and MERS, everyone will get scared but it will peter out and we will forget about it in a year. It will just be like a bad cold." Oops...My wife, I who I will remind people, is a medical laboratory scientist, said the same thing.
I will always remember the night when I read the first report of 40 people dead from a new corona virus in china. When my wife got home I gave here the standard debrief from the day and told her 'Oh, by the way, 40 people are dead in china, they think its a corona virus."
And she said something like "A corona virus that kills people? ****, thats not good, corona viruses are hard to control"
Because of the passage of time, people think the Black Death arrived in Europe, killed a bunch of people and then disappeared.I thought the same thing when I first heard of it. "Oh, it's going to be like SARS and MERS, everyone will get scared but it will peter out and we will forget about it in a year. It will just be like a bad cold." Oops...
Yeah, it's like a bad cold. A pissed off common cold on steroids...
Big difference here is, the black death killed around a third of the population of Europe. It actually changed the genetics of the continent. Unless Covid becomes something much harsher than what it has been, it will never reach that level...Because of the passage of time, people think the Black Death arrived in Europe, killed a bunch of people and then disappeared.
But the reality is that the Black Death had been around in Roman and Greek times and then killed people in Europe between the years 1347 and 1859 - so that would be over about 500 years!!!!!
Historically speaking, pandemics tend to hang around..........even if many of the infected hosts don't.
My point is that, it is early days for this pandemic......it could keep grinding away at the human population for years/decades and get up to deaths comparable to the Black Death......or it could mutate into something much more lethal, burn fiercely, and really change human behavior.......or it could mutate into something more benign and disappear like the Spanish Flu did.Big difference here is, the black death killed around a third of the population of Europe. It actually changed the genetics of the continent. Unless Covid becomes something much harsher than what it has been, it will never reach that level...
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