Hey, Grimm, keep at it. We've had to do the same with the grandkids from the time they were ten and came to live with us. The twins do work odd jobs, granddaughter works at the burger place. They are 16 and think we should pay for everything, so we're going through something similar. The latest is the 3 day band trip during spring break. Two days are travel days, and one day there, to Branson, MO. They want $400 per kid. We told them we'd pay for half each. Grandson about had a fit, but oh well. They had to pay half of the deposit today for us to pay the other half, so $50 each. Then the boy scout scoutmaster came by this afternoon for registration fees $75 and for fees for the youth leadership trip $180. We told grandson we'd pay for the registration, but half of the trip. They don't seem to appreciate where our money goes, just where theirs goes, but they've always been this way.